cosmex said: quick question. does the number of stars (role ability) in the tactics page matter much? for eg. ihattaren is 4 stars as a inverted winger but since the blue zaz strat uses a support winger when i play him there hes 2.5 stars. does that mean hes significantly worse as a support winge Expand
Just ignore the stars, they don't affect how well the player will do. However, I would prefer to use wingers with the same foot as side, to make it easier to cross from the byline.
goatmas said: Are you guys learning players traits? For example run into space on shadow strikers, get forward on central midfielder. And have you found any success/must have traits? Expand
It's what @Lapidus said up there. All I can say is to not disrupt the tactic, because other than that, I'm not very qualified to talk about player traits. I have never done a comparative study about it, so anything I say would have no base.
However, someone made a comparison about traits for strikers and concluded that the best trait for them is run into space. That's all I can say, but I don't have the link to those tests.
Machismo said: 1) My BPDs Any "NEW TRAIT" to add to their skills for Zaz Red? 2) My DM Any "NEW TRAIT" to add to his skills for Zaz Red?
All are 'trait-less' at the moment. Expand
In short, you only want traits that enforce what the tactic asks the player to do. Anything else has potential to disrupt the flow of the tactics.
For example, if a position has the instruction "hold back", then add "stay back at all times", but never "get further forward", since that would be opposite of what the tactic asks him to do.
My experience loaning players out is awful. I only loan players I can't get rid off, but never for development. Every time I loan someone for development, they are either never played or get injuried the entire time. Possibly my fault for not choosing good teams for them, but I prefer the safety of home.
debelizec19 said: Dear ZaZ, what do You think about young players, is it better to send them on loan or train them in young squad with good coaches? Thank You! Expand
I usually keep them at my team because I like to upgrade the youth setup to maximum. If I feel like some have potential to play in the main team soon, I will even let them train with the upper team and participate in some friendly matches.
@ta2199 just answered for me. Also, Fanatic seems to be working better than Comet, so if you want to use advanced strikers, that would be a better option.
Middleweight165 said: If I wanted to tweak ZaZ Blue 3.0 to be more like Comet (1xAM, 1xST), would I just move one of the AM into the ST position and change his role to AF? Are there any other changes I should make? Expand
Also change the player instructions to match. However, I feel like Fanatic and Comet are possibly better than what you would achieve with a Tweak from Blue.
Middleweight165 said: @ZaZ I think points 2 and 6 are probably the sticking points for most people, myself included. If could propose a scenario. Which player would you choose?
A - CA=160, Acc=12, Pace=12 B - CA=120, Acc=20, Pace=20 C - CA=140, Acc=16, Pace=16
Lets assume other important physical stats are equal and the other points are distributed to Technical and Mental attributes and you are the manager of the best team in the world Expand
I don't play with hidden attributes revealed. I used to play like that before, but the gameplay changes completely. With everything visible, I used to think only about the future and building a perfect squad. With those stats hidden, I can think more about the current season, trying to guess the player hidden attributes based on feeling. I don't mind those that use Genie Scout or In-Game Editor, I just enjoy more playing without them.
That being said, if I could see the attributes, I would choose player B without thinking twice. Just 3 points in either pace or acceleration is enough to drop a tactic from top tier to mediocre (7.0 to 5.6), but we are talking about 4 points in each. If it was 1 or 2 points of difference (combined) I would think about it, but 4 in each, it's a no brainer. Top speed for the win!
I find it very helpful for us users, if you list the various characteristics role by role to look at when buying players. I have put the values you say in the various posts (acceleration, speed above all and a step below agility and dribbling) but I have not found players who have impressed me. If I could comply with my request, millions of users would also be happy. In the meantime, thank you very much for everything you do for us who, like you, love this great game. Expand
I usually hire players like this: 1. Go to player search and make sure transfer interest box is marked. 2. Add a filter for position, age, nationality and key attributes, then set it to the desired values. --- For example: accomplished ML, under 23 years old, UK and Irish region, Acceleration 14+, Pace 14+, Agility 12+, Dribbling 12+. 3. If too many players appear, increase the key attributes. 4. Change the view to show key attributes (set it to physical attributes or add new columns). 5. Sort the table by a key attribute, usually Acceleration or Pace. 6. Check players individually. If they are acceptable, right click and ask agent for availability. 7. If cost is ok, ask for a scout report to reveal a bit and maybe see some hidden attributes. 8. Add good players to a shortlist and ask for a trial or to scout for one more week. 9. Make offer for the best players for the desired position. 10. Stall signings until all players reach an agreement, then choose the best and cancel all others.
ta2199 said: I even retrain McTominay to play MR-DW and Fred to DR-IWB(Su). So there's nothing impossible. Just try to have as many as possible friendly game and let him play at the new position.
But if the ST is slow then just sell him or loan him away Expand
There is a hidden attribute called versatility that affects the speed to learn new positions. Some learn very fast while others learn very slow.
@ta2199, now you can say for sure Fanatic is the best tactic with strikers. Possibly something to do with the wingers, maybe DW have a harder time to cover the gap behind strikers.
I can't talk by Magician, but I believe Phoenix was born as a tweak of Red before going his own direction. Since Blue is also a tweak from the same tactic, it's no surprise that they got very similar.
This tactic looks the same as Fanatic tactic and the only difference I see it uses Defensive Wingers instead of normal Wingers. Am I right? https://fm-arena.com/tactic/953-fanatic/ Expand
Fanatic is a tweak of Phoenix and this is a tweak of Blue. They have some small differences other than the wingers, like player instructions, set pieces and one or other role.
ta2199 said: Hey @ZaZ, can you create a new tactic with 2 AF ( with the same PI's like SS) ?. I just wanted to see which grade that tactic gonna get. I think It gonna be 7.0 Expand
Blue 3.0 with AF instead of SS. I don't think it will reach 7.0, but there it is.
Won the quadruaple in first season using V2, looking forward to testing V3.
Great work Expand
Just to be clear, Blue gets a few of @Egraam's set pieces (from Motion), not the other way around. (P.S.: Unless he changed in later versions and also got something from Blue.)
What tactic would you recommend for athletic bilbao's first season 2 af or 2 ss ?
I would just run Blue and do lots of friendlies in the pre-season.
The only benefit is that, if you don't, your assistant manager might say things that lower your player's morale. Other than that, no harm at all.
Just ignore the stars, they don't affect how well the player will do. However, I would prefer to use wingers with the same foot as side, to make it easier to cross from the byline.
It's what @Lapidus said up there. All I can say is to not disrupt the tactic, because other than that, I'm not very qualified to talk about player traits. I have never done a comparative study about it, so anything I say would have no base.
However, someone made a comparison about traits for strikers and concluded that the best trait for them is run into space. That's all I can say, but I don't have the link to those tests.
2) My DM Any "NEW TRAIT" to add to his skills for Zaz Red?
All are 'trait-less' at the moment.
In short, you only want traits that enforce what the tactic asks the player to do. Anything else has potential to disrupt the flow of the tactics.
For example, if a position has the instruction "hold back", then add "stay back at all times", but never "get further forward", since that would be opposite of what the tactic asks him to do.
It was tested, 6.6 against 6.8 from Fanatic.
what do You think about young players, is it better to send them on loan or train them in young squad with good coaches?
Thank You!
I usually keep them at my team because I like to upgrade the youth setup to maximum. If I feel like some have potential to play in the main team soon, I will even let them train with the upper team and participate in some friendly matches.
@ta2199 just answered for me. Also, Fanatic seems to be working better than Comet, so if you want to use advanced strikers, that would be a better option.
Also change the player instructions to match. However, I feel like Fanatic and Comet are possibly better than what you would achieve with a Tweak from Blue.
First. Fast is better, specially for wingers.
A - CA=160, Acc=12, Pace=12
B - CA=120, Acc=20, Pace=20
C - CA=140, Acc=16, Pace=16
Lets assume other important physical stats are equal and the other points are distributed to Technical and Mental attributes and you are the manager of the best team in the world
I don't play with hidden attributes revealed. I used to play like that before, but the gameplay changes completely. With everything visible, I used to think only about the future and building a perfect squad. With those stats hidden, I can think more about the current season, trying to guess the player hidden attributes based on feeling. I don't mind those that use Genie Scout or In-Game Editor, I just enjoy more playing without them.
That being said, if I could see the attributes, I would choose player B without thinking twice. Just 3 points in either pace or acceleration is enough to drop a tactic from top tier to mediocre (7.0 to 5.6), but we are talking about 4 points in each. If it was 1 or 2 points of difference (combined) I would think about it, but 4 in each, it's a no brainer. Top speed for the win!
I find it very helpful for us users, if you list the various characteristics role by role to look at when buying players. I have put the values you say in the various posts (acceleration, speed above all and a step below agility and dribbling) but I have not found players who have impressed me. If I could comply with my request, millions of users would also be happy. In the meantime, thank you very much for everything you do for us who, like you, love this great game.
I usually hire players like this:
1. Go to player search and make sure transfer interest box is marked.
2. Add a filter for position, age, nationality and key attributes, then set it to the desired values.
--- For example: accomplished ML, under 23 years old, UK and Irish region, Acceleration 14+, Pace 14+, Agility 12+, Dribbling 12+.
3. If too many players appear, increase the key attributes.
4. Change the view to show key attributes (set it to physical attributes or add new columns).
5. Sort the table by a key attribute, usually Acceleration or Pace.
6. Check players individually. If they are acceptable, right click and ask agent for availability.
7. If cost is ok, ask for a scout report to reveal a bit and maybe see some hidden attributes.
8. Add good players to a shortlist and ask for a trial or to scout for one more week.
9. Make offer for the best players for the desired position.
10. Stall signings until all players reach an agreement, then choose the best and cancel all others.
However, I believe there are more qualified people to talk about it. I'll leave some links of discussions about that, including some filters in game and filters for genie scout.
https://fm-arena.com/table/9-important-attributes/
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1379-where-can-i-find-more-information-on-the-9-important-attributes/
https://fm-arena.com/thread/938-the-most-important-player-attributes-in-fm21/
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1382-general-consensus-on-most-important-attributes-for-each-position/
But if the ST is slow then just sell him or loan him away
There is a hidden attribute called versatility that affects the speed to learn new positions. Some learn very fast while others learn very slow.
They are pretty similar, to a point that they could have merged during their development. Some versions got more different than others, but they evolved independently. Here is a timeline:
- First tactic I uploaded here, inspired by Duke 433 v4: https://fm-arena.com/tactic/678-zaz-total-football-442/
- First version of Red: https://fm-arena.com/thread/779-zaz-red/
- First version of Blue (it was a tweak of Red): https://fm-arena.com/thread/780-zaz-blue/
- For reference, this is the first version of Phoenix: https://fm-arena.com/thread/784-phoenix/
I can't talk by Magician, but I believe Phoenix was born as a tweak of Red before going his own direction. Since Blue is also a tweak from the same tactic, it's no surprise that they got very similar.
This tactic looks the same as Fanatic tactic and the only difference I see it uses Defensive Wingers instead of normal Wingers. Am I right? https://fm-arena.com/tactic/953-fanatic/
Fanatic is a tweak of Phoenix and this is a tweak of Blue. They have some small differences other than the wingers, like player instructions, set pieces and one or other role.
P.S.: Name got changed. =)
Blue 3.0 with AF instead of SS. I don't think it will reach 7.0, but there it is.
Are set pieces stay the same ZAZ routine?
Won the quadruaple in first season using V2, looking forward to testing V3.
Great work
Just to be clear, Blue gets a few of @Egraam's set pieces (from Motion), not the other way around. (P.S.: Unless he changed in later versions and also got something from Blue.)