I finally managed to get something good, after many tries. Gonna post it soon after some more refining (need to play it and see in practice for at least a season). @Zippo, testing will start after game release, right? I mean, after beta is over?
Ucan said: I haven't tried Fanatic tactic i dont know what different setting on fanatic tactic. Its an example and advice about blue. Other things work perfect Expand
Ucan said: I tried zaz blue 3.0. I changed amc to st as a AF role(with same istructions,i checked) And for wingers i changed to winger(sup) and results
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That's very similar to Fanatic, which is the best tactic with two AF.
Manidaro7 said: So when you make the transfer in the player search you put the acceleration, speed, agility and maximum elevation values for all the defenders and backward playmaker while for the other roles you put acceleration, speed, agility and dribbling? Expand
Yeah. The only exception are wingbacks, which don't do much dribbling and don't do much aerial play either. For them, I just use acceleration, speed and agility.
Pretty sure it's normal, it happened to me before in other leagues. You can have youth teams that don't play in a league, because they can still play friendlies, have their own coaches and also be available to higher teams.
Nebuuuu said: Can confirm: Crossings, Header are sssstrrrrr0nkkk! :O Waiting for ZaZ to make magic happen. ♥
Have a great time playing FM or whatever. Expand
Thanks, but I'm not a magician, just got lucky to have the best tactic last edition. There were a dozen of other tactics very close. Gonna try high crossing soon.
I just thought about making a log of discoveries from my tests, so people avoid testing the same things. To be clear, I'll be posting what works and what doesn't work under the conditions of my testing, but results could be different under different conditions. Feel free to share your findings here too.
Roles and positions Spoiler
- TF-At > P-At, AF-At, F9-At, T-At > TF-Su, DLP-At > SS-At. - For two strikers, best combination is two TF-At. - IW-At, WM-At > IW-At (AM), RMD-At (AM), W-Su, DW-Su > W-Su (AM), W-At (AM). - DLP-Su > DM-De. - IWB-Su, WB-Su, FB-At > WB-Su (DM), IWB-At, FB-Su, WB-At, CWB-At. - BPD-De, CD-De > WCB-De > WCB-Su. - CM-At and two IW-At > three CM-At. - CM-At and two TF-At > two CM-At and one TF-At. - CM-At and DLP-Su > two DLP-Su, two RMP-Su.
- DW-Su + AF-At > DW-Su + TF-At
Team Instructions Spoiler
- Very high tempo > neutral tempo. - Press much more often > neutral pressing. - Much higher line of engagement > neutral line of engagement. - Standard passing > more direct passing, shorter passing. - Very attacking mentality > positive, attacking, cautious, balanced. - Standard width > narrow, wide. - Standard defensive line > much higher defensive line, much lower defensive line. - Blank > overlap flanks, underlap flanks. - Blank > force opposition outside, force opposition inside. - Blank > pass into space. - Blank > slow pace down.
Player Instructions Spoiler
- Take more risks > not take more risks. - Cross less often > cross more often, blank.
IMPORTANT NOTE: These results are valid for the setup I'm testing. It is possibly valid for other different setups, but some combinations can create synergy and work better than each element individually. For example, WCB-Su didn't perform well for me, but it might perform well in combination with Cautious mentality and three DMs (I didn't test that, it's just an example). Since time is limited, it's not possible to test all different combinations.
Gpassosbh said: Hello @ZaZ have you tested already your tactic in FM22 Beta? I'm thinking in you ZAZ Blue 3.0 as a base, but use 3 DC's to see the new player position. Expand
Waiting for money to ping in bank account to get it. Should happen the next couple days.
Alexis said: Thank you very much for your quick reply!! So I'm guessing the same goes for team instructions? For example, if you did not turn on 'play for set pieces' in your tactic, but my assistant tells me my squad has very good set piece takers, I still should not turn on 'play for set pieces', and just trust your tactic 100%? Expand
Just leave the instructions as they are, because changing them will reduce your team performance. This tactic will give you lots of opportunities for set pieces even without play for set pieces, so a good set piece taker will allow you to score lots of goals that way, anyway.
This is "fatigue". I didn't add players that I didn't put in my starting 11.
This is "team report" Expand
I think your players are good enough to do well. Team dynamics also seem to be fine. The only place to improve there would be training load, which can be made lighter by changing coach assignments. Basically, set your worst coach to train all categories, so he lessens the burden for everyone. You might need to hire an extra coach for that (if I remember well, you can also use a sub-23 or reserve assistant manager for that).
Anyway, I don't think any of that is the problem, so it probably has to do either with hidden attributes (inconsistency, lack of professionalism or something like that), or maybe you need to do better at team talk and shouts. Is your team doing well or bad in the table?
I couldn't start the new season as I had hoped this morning with Tactic.
my players; neither good nor bad. But we have the potential to be champions in our own league.
I buy 2 Pressing Forwards. But when I put it in Shadow Striker, I couldn't get any efficiency, they don't even press... Despite their good finishing, they hit the opposite positions all the way to the crown, ahaha...
I took Nicolas Dominguez as the Defensive Playmaker. I discovered this football player on FM20. Reminds me of Toni Kroos. But I still didn't get any results.
Center Midfielder - Attacking role; I loaned mcAtee from Manchester City. But unfortunately I couldn't get any results from it.
Also, all the players in the team are officially incapable of pressing. They don't even bother!
By the way, we are very bad in defense; A lot of oppositing player are getting out behind the defense.
As training; I use the training methods you gave me. As for Individual Player training, I use the methods you gave me.
Where am I doing wrong?
More precisely, what do I need to send you a screenshot of so that you can interpret and analyze it correctly? Expand
Show your squad page with the following columns added: pace, acceleration, agility, dribbling and jumping reach. You can add new columns by right clicking in the top bar, in the name of any column.
Also, show team report -> analyst report -> comparison -> physical. Make sure each player is at least accomplished in the position they are playing, team morale is not so bad and players have good tactical affinity (it should be fine if they are set to train for the role they play).
That will cover the quality of your players.
Next, click medical centre and show me a screenshot after you sort the list by fatigue (just left click fatigue column name to sort it, from higher fatigue to lower). This will allow me to see if you are rotating well, as well as training load and injuries.
Finally, show me a screenshot of dynamics page, to see if the atmosphere is going well.
You might very well identify problems by yourself when you look at those pages, but I will also try to give you some input on how to solve any issues there.
Thank you for the suggestion!
That's absurd! I wonder if play for set pieces also increase corners.
And for wingers i changed to winger(sup) and results
That's very similar to Fanatic, which is the best tactic with two AF.
Only for breaking ties, because they are not as important to performance as those five attributes.
Yeah. The only exception are wingbacks, which don't do much dribbling and don't do much aerial play either. For them, I just use acceleration, speed and agility.
Waiting for ZaZ to make magic happen. ♥
Have a great time playing FM or whatever.
Thanks, but I'm not a magician, just got lucky to have the best tactic last edition. There were a dozen of other tactics very close. Gonna try high crossing soon.
better we give IF / IW role or maybe W (at)?
I didn't test other roles for AML/R yet, but I got the feeling that wingers are better at ML/R than AML/R, just like in FM2021.
Roles and positions
Spoiler - TF-At > P-At, AF-At, F9-At, T-At > TF-Su, DLP-At > SS-At.
- For two strikers, best combination is two TF-At.
- IW-At, WM-At > IW-At (AM), RMD-At (AM), W-Su, DW-Su > W-Su (AM), W-At (AM).
- DLP-Su > DM-De.
- IWB-Su, WB-Su, FB-At > WB-Su (DM), IWB-At, FB-Su, WB-At, CWB-At.
- BPD-De, CD-De > WCB-De > WCB-Su.
- CM-At and two IW-At > three CM-At.
- CM-At and two TF-At > two CM-At and one TF-At.
- CM-At and DLP-Su > two DLP-Su, two RMP-Su.
- DW-Su + AF-At > DW-Su + TF-At
Team Instructions
Spoiler - Very high tempo > neutral tempo.
- Press much more often > neutral pressing.
- Much higher line of engagement > neutral line of engagement.
- Standard passing > more direct passing, shorter passing.
- Very attacking mentality > positive, attacking, cautious, balanced.
- Standard width > narrow, wide.
- Standard defensive line > much higher defensive line, much lower defensive line.
- Blank > overlap flanks, underlap flanks.
- Blank > force opposition outside, force opposition inside.
- Blank > pass into space.
- Blank > slow pace down.
Player Instructions
Spoiler - Take more risks > not take more risks.
- Cross less often > cross more often, blank.
IMPORTANT NOTE: These results are valid for the setup I'm testing. It is possibly valid for other different setups, but some combinations can create synergy and work better than each element individually. For example, WCB-Su didn't perform well for me, but it might perform well in combination with Cautious mentality and three DMs (I didn't test that, it's just an example). Since time is limited, it's not possible to test all different combinations.
Yeah, the new stamina system might need adjustments to tempo and press intensity.
P.S.: Just got the game, time to start playing around.
Should post results soon
If possible, try Fanatic too, please.
Waiting for money to ping in bank account to get it. Should happen the next couple days.
Thank you, gonna get it tomorrow and start playing around!
P.S.: The site just tells the cheapest source from trusted sites, it's nothing shady.
Just leave the instructions as they are, because changing them will reduce your team performance. This tactic will give you lots of opportunities for set pieces even without play for set pieces, so a good set piece taker will allow you to score lots of goals that way, anyway.
There are team dynamics in this image as well.
This is "fatigue".
I didn't add players that I didn't put in my starting 11.
This is "team report"
I think your players are good enough to do well. Team dynamics also seem to be fine. The only place to improve there would be training load, which can be made lighter by changing coach assignments. Basically, set your worst coach to train all categories, so he lessens the burden for everyone. You might need to hire an extra coach for that (if I remember well, you can also use a sub-23 or reserve assistant manager for that).
Anyway, I don't think any of that is the problem, so it probably has to do either with hidden attributes (inconsistency, lack of professionalism or something like that), or maybe you need to do better at team talk and shouts. Is your team doing well or bad in the table?
I couldn't start the new season as I had hoped this morning with Tactic.
my players; neither good nor bad. But we have the potential to be champions in our own league.
I buy 2 Pressing Forwards. But when I put it in Shadow Striker, I couldn't get any efficiency, they don't even press...
Despite their good finishing, they hit the opposite positions all the way to the crown, ahaha...
I took Nicolas Dominguez as the Defensive Playmaker. I discovered this football player on FM20. Reminds me of Toni Kroos.
But I still didn't get any results.
Center Midfielder - Attacking role; I loaned mcAtee from Manchester City. But unfortunately I couldn't get any results from it.
Also, all the players in the team are officially incapable of pressing. They don't even bother!
By the way, we are very bad in defense; A lot of oppositing player are getting out behind the defense.
As training; I use the training methods you gave me. As for Individual Player training, I use the methods you gave me.
Where am I doing wrong?
More precisely, what do I need to send you a screenshot of so that you can interpret and analyze it correctly?
Show your squad page with the following columns added: pace, acceleration, agility, dribbling and jumping reach. You can add new columns by right clicking in the top bar, in the name of any column.
Also, show team report -> analyst report -> comparison -> physical. Make sure each player is at least accomplished in the position they are playing, team morale is not so bad and players have good tactical affinity (it should be fine if they are set to train for the role they play).
That will cover the quality of your players.
Next, click medical centre and show me a screenshot after you sort the list by fatigue (just left click fatigue column name to sort it, from higher fatigue to lower). This will allow me to see if you are rotating well, as well as training load and injuries.
Finally, show me a screenshot of dynamics page, to see if the atmosphere is going well.
You might very well identify problems by yourself when you look at those pages, but I will also try to give you some input on how to solve any issues there.