ZaZ said: It's about time to start experimenting with set pieces. I'm creating this thread so people can share routines and results. If anyone wants to help, I would recommend to follow these guidelines:
1. You can use any editor data for that (or none at all). I would recommend setting consistency and important matches of all players in the league to 20, and injury proneness to 1. My editor data is attached to this post.
2. Create a new game with the teams you want to use for testing (remember to disable first season transfers). Save a backup file on the very first day. My save file is attached here (can't attach to the post because it's over 20 mb).
3. Run my set pieces first and save results to use as reference. I am attaching three tactics with the same set pieces and different formations to this post (343 defenders, 433 strikers or 442). The positions got a bit messed up in FM-Arena table (because of me testing different shapes), but I fixed it properly now. I use Orange 1.0 for reference, which is the new name of Orange SS.
4. For each experiment, set up the same tactic with the desired routines, then go in vacation until the end of season (330 days on English Premier League), marking the option to use current tactics. Use the same save for all tests. I usually run three to five times, but feel free to use any methodology of testing you want.
5. The most important data to share are total points in the league (or points per match) and goal difference. If you want, you can also provide data from league > stats > team detailed > goals/conceded from corners, direct free kicks and indirect free kicks. For throw ins, the relevant data is in data hub > team > report > scoring/conceding > assists (it usually won't show anything since it's common to get 0 assists from throw ins).
You can also help with suggestions of routines to be tested.
Note: If you use my save file, I believe you don't need to download the editor data. Expand
Mate I will give it a go on Saturday when the grandkids are here and I cant play. Will try the tests overnight to see how long they run. Tomorrow is rain here and I want to keep my current save going. Really keen to get across set pieces again. Had a little play but not really enough time so far to get anything meaningful. There was one on FM Scout for corners that I was keen to try, and I think that long throws are much better this year, so far. The save helps immensely. Thanks
I have run this tactic a few times and it keeps coming up with well above average results. I am selecting sides that are expected to finish in the relegation zone and they keep making the play offs for promotion.
It is very attacking so leaks a few goals as most tactics seem to in this version of FM
This is the best result I have had with Carlisle and I have tested all the top tactics
NoSignal said: I tryed this on 3rd portugese leauge. Dont work well. 4 wins, 4 draws, 2 loses. Cant score more than 1 goal in game. I have pretty good team, better than in dulwitch but playing much worse mby bcs i joined during the season afer previous manager was sacked
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You might need to give it a bit more time with a side like that, especially joining mid season. Your team is ranked towards the bottom of that League so results are not too bad. Can you train the players to the position and role you are using them in. It sometimes helps them learn the tactic quicker. Otherwise might be best to try another tactic that suits the players you have,I think Electro would suit that team, ZaZ.
Its true @ZaZ you can load them straight in and play them. Also FM20 tactics. I haven't tried FM19 as they were strikerless and would not be so good in this version.
The Attribute testing is probably the most helpful from the last two seasons. Good to see that it continues and that we can still target players with good pace and acceleration, especially for lower league clubs.
NoSignal said: Sadly need to start new game. Didnt set up hide atributtes at start. Now i can See everythinh in players profile. Hate that. Now will tey with deepest English league. Dulwich Hamlet is my new club Expand
How did you go with your new save. I just started with CD Coria in Spain and St Albans Vanarama South in England. I am just getting through the preseason and haven't been able to add much quality to either squad. Pre season has been good in England so now hoping to kick the season off with a few wins.
Target Person said: 4132 seems to be strongest formation atm, I like this one because of very attacking mentality and AF+F9 pair instead of double AF so will happily give it a go
I wanted to ask if it's fine to use a No.10/AMC type at CM, and if F9 requires more pace or passing/technique? Thanks! Expand
I think AMCs work well as the CM Attack role so give it a go.
I generally individually train my key attacking players with Passing as it also includes Vision which I think is most important. And definitely Acceleration and Pace make a big difference
@ZaZ I had a quick look at corners for the top 10 tactics in my testing. Your ZaZ ones on 1.0b were the best followed by Fanecas. I used a copy of your set piece routines with a new tactic and achieved the same proportion of goal assists from corners. I am going to stick with it for future tactics.
I have one more tactic formation I want to test and then I will spend a bit of time playing until the next ME update. At the moment I will probably use Dragons Breath updated with your set pieces. I still think it is more than good enough to get me to the Sky Bet Championship from Vanarama North/South.
I retested Fanecas and it still didn't come close to ZaZs or Dragons Breath.
Can I just ask the whole community to thank the guys at FM Arena for their efforts today. They have tested 21 tactics in the last 9 hours, to the thoroughness that we are all after. This is an amazing effort and helps us all so much. I am sure many of you are like myself and are guided by the results. It has been so helpful over the last few years that I have been looking and participating.
ZaZ said: I just made a new test league with editor, now I'll start testing again from scratch, starting from Red and Blue (FM21). Expand
After you have done them, can you use the top FM Arena tactic at the time (currently Fanecas) and Dragons Breath (my top tactic at present) to get a baseline? I am really keen to see hoe DB stacks up elsewhere.
ZaZ said: Press intensity and tempo. Lowering one tick of each seemed better than lowering just one of them. Expand
Thanks. I mainly used Dragons Breath and Electro in Beta. Took Hungerford to the top of the VNS League and was offered the job at Scunthorpe who were last in L2. Took them to mid table pretty quickly. I still like the 4-1-3-0-2 formation which isn't far off last years winning formations. I am hoping they test Dragons Breath which tested so well for me in holiday mode.
I am still keen to try a few winning formations from 2020 and 2019. Then take the ones I think are best and the ones that are winning on FM Arena and give them a solid test in the lower leagues to get my starting tactic. Although, if any of mine are rated any good I will go with them.
1. You can use any editor data for that (or none at all). I would recommend setting consistency and important matches of all players in the league to 20, and injury proneness to 1. My editor data is attached to this post.
2. Create a new game with the teams you want to use for testing (remember to disable first season transfers). Save a backup file on the very first day. My save file is attached here (can't attach to the post because it's over 20 mb).
3. Run my set pieces first and save results to use as reference. I am attaching three tactics with the same set pieces and different formations to this post (343 defenders, 433 strikers or 442). The positions got a bit messed up in FM-Arena table (because of me testing different shapes), but I fixed it properly now. I use Orange 1.0 for reference, which is the new name of Orange SS.
4. For each experiment, set up the same tactic with the desired routines, then go in vacation until the end of season (330 days on English Premier League), marking the option to use current tactics. Use the same save for all tests. I usually run three to five times, but feel free to use any methodology of testing you want.
5. The most important data to share are total points in the league (or points per match) and goal difference. If you want, you can also provide data from league > stats > team detailed > goals/conceded from corners, direct free kicks and indirect free kicks. For throw ins, the relevant data is in data hub > team > report > scoring/conceding > assists (it usually won't show anything since it's common to get 0 assists from throw ins).
You can also help with suggestions of routines to be tested.
@Mark
Note: If you use my save file, I believe you don't need to download the editor data.
Mate I will give it a go on Saturday when the grandkids are here and I cant play. Will try the tests overnight to see how long they run. Tomorrow is rain here and I want to keep my current save going. Really keen to get across set pieces again. Had a little play but not really enough time so far to get anything meaningful. There was one on FM Scout for corners that I was keen to try, and I think that long throws are much better this year, so far. The save helps immensely. Thanks
The latest patch is 22.1.1 which was released about 1 day ago - https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/559568-football-manager-2022-minor-update-2211-out-now/
The latest M.E. number is v22.2.0.0. and it hasn't been changing since the release.
I hope that helps.
Cheers.
Thanks mate. Just seemed like I was winning more easily after the patch
AM-su seems to provide a stable connection on the field. Maybe it's better than SS or AM-at.
I definitely agree in this formation
It is very attacking so leaks a few goals as most tactics seem to in this version of FM
This is the best result I have had with Carlisle and I have tested all the top tactics
You might need to give it a bit more time with a side like that, especially joining mid season. Your team is ranked towards the bottom of that League so results are not too bad. Can you train the players to the position and role you are using them in. It sometimes helps them learn the tactic quicker. Otherwise might be best to try another tactic that suits the players you have,I think Electro would suit that team, ZaZ.
How did you go with your new save. I just started with CD Coria in Spain and St Albans Vanarama South in England. I am just getting through the preseason and haven't been able to add much quality to either squad. Pre season has been good in England so now hoping to kick the season off with a few wins.
I wanted to ask if it's fine to use a No.10/AMC type at CM, and if F9 requires more pace or passing/technique? Thanks!
I think AMCs work well as the CM Attack role so give it a go.
I generally individually train my key attacking players with Passing as it also includes Vision which I think is most important. And definitely Acceleration and Pace make a big difference
And according to Genie Scout CD Coria should not be competitive although in real life they are not doing bad this season. Good luck and enjoy.
They look like pretty good results mate. Please let me know how it progresses
I have one more tactic formation I want to test and then I will spend a bit of time playing until the next ME update. At the moment I will probably use Dragons Breath updated with your set pieces. I still think it is more than good enough to get me to the Sky Bet Championship from Vanarama North/South.
I retested Fanecas and it still didn't come close to ZaZs or Dragons Breath.
Let me know how it goes
Sorry mate, but I don't get to decide whether it is tested. That is up to the site administrators
After you have done them, can you use the top FM Arena tactic at the time (currently Fanecas) and Dragons Breath (my top tactic at present) to get a baseline? I am really keen to see hoe DB stacks up elsewhere.
Thanks. I mainly used Dragons Breath and Electro in Beta. Took Hungerford to the top of the VNS League and was offered the job at Scunthorpe who were last in L2. Took them to mid table pretty quickly. I still like the 4-1-3-0-2 formation which isn't far off last years winning formations. I am hoping they test Dragons Breath which tested so well for me in holiday mode.
I am still keen to try a few winning formations from 2020 and 2019. Then take the ones I think are best and the ones that are winning on FM Arena and give them a solid test in the lower leagues to get my starting tactic. Although, if any of mine are rated any good I will go with them.