Here is an interesting post from many years ago that I think still is valid and interesting - At the beginning of the game, Ronaldo's CA is 192. Ronaldo is natural at AM L; accomplished at S C and AM R; competent at AM C; and unconvincing at M R and M L. - When I change Ronaldo to be natural at S C and every other position to 1, Ronaldo's recommend current ability (RCA) is 195. This means that Ronaldo's ability as a S C is higher than his CA. If I made these changes to Ronaldo's positions and didn't change his CA, within a few days the game would adjust some of Ronaldo's attributes down, so that his RCA would match his CA of 192. - I also tried changing Ronaldo to natural as a D R and every other position to 1. When I do this, Ronaldo's RCA becomes 134. If I changed Ronaldo's positional attributes in this way and didn't lower his CA, within a few days the game would bump up his attributes across the board so that his CA as a DR would reach 192. - Then I made Ronaldo natural at D R and S C. When I do this, his RCA is 178. This is between 195 (RCA as a SC) and 134 (RCA as a D R). However, it is not a simple average. In some earlier games, players with proficiency in many different positions had, often times, very very good attributes. I believe this had to do with the way the game averaged the RCA of different positions to calculate the overall CA. SI seems to have compensated for this potential bug by making the average biased towards the position the player is best at. - When, besides being natural at D R and SC, I also make Ronaldo natural at D C (Ronaldo RCA when he is only a D C is 137), Ronaldo's RCA becomes 170. It seems like the weight given to the RCA in the position the player is less good at becomes even smaller when the player is proficient in many positions. - I also tried starting Ronaldo as a S C only and then, one by one, increase his D R proficiency. Up until D R = 10, Ronaldo's RCA does not change. Starting at 11, Ronaldo's RCA steadily decreases as his DR proficiency increases, reaching 178 when his DR proficiency reaches 20. So, positions are "free" up to 10, and then gradually start to affect the CA weights of attributes. So, my take is that the CA costs of attributes for players with multiple positions are an average of the CA costs of attributes of the different positions. However, this average CA cost is not a simple average (nor even a "simple" weighted average based on the proficiency in the positions). Rather, the CA cost of an attribute is "biased" towards the CA cost of the attribute in the position the player is best RCA-wise. A player with 6 in attributes has a RCA of 0 with any natural position (also when I changed finishing to 5 in a striker, the in-game editor showed a RCA of -1; and when I changed finishing to 7 in a striker, the in-game editor showed a RCA of 1). This implies that you cannot just multiply the CA costs I posted originally by the attributes and get a player's CA. You have to subtract from that calculation, approximately, 6 x sum of the CA costs of all attributes. That being said, I still wouldn't expect you could get the exact CA of a player by doing that calculation. As I explained in the original post, there is some quirks in the way the whole CA weighting of attributes works that I couldn't fully figure out. But the number should be in the neighborhood. Attributes are not "free" up until 6. According to my testing, their cost seems similar below and above 6. What happens is that a player with CA = 1 has an allotment for attributes that is approximately 6 x CA cost of all attributes. You don't start with all attributes at 1 when CA is 1. A player with 1 in all attributes and 2 in corners has RCA = -99 (when I put all attributes to 1 the in game editor shows RCA=0 -> this is probably because the editor is not prepared for that extreme).
Filters depends on the league you are in. Look at the average for the key attributes for the league and then base your minimums on those as a starting point
ZaZ said: There is no such thing as 21.7, at least in the original edition. This tactic works well in 21.4, the current patch from fm. Expand
From memory the match engine was 21.7 but the game version is 21.4. Could be wrong. Either way this is still good under the current game which wont change now until the FM22 game
Middleweight165 said: So for example, I load my current game in Genie Scout, then select your ratings, then search by position rating, Wing Back Right >80%, one result Kyle Walker, so according to your ratings Kyle Walker is the best WBR in the game.
Is this accurate? Expand
As long as they are also rated as Natural in that position. It looks like he is Natural as a DR and still Natural as a WBR even though the position rating is 18. So yes, I think he probably is.
wsndbd said: hi,@Mark, can you sort these values into the minimum attribute values? Like this one? I don't know how to map the score to the minimum attribute. Sorting into the smallest attribute may be more intuitive. Thank you very much! Expand
It really does depend what league you are managing in. Let me know and I will try and do this for you
Gaksital said: Okay, I'm going to start adding a new set piece to Liar v1 right now.
Btw, it is not clear until it is evaluated whether this tactic is excellent. However, I can be sure that this play is the funniest tactic I've ever uploaded.
Thank you
That's a disappointing rating. I was really, really sure... lol Expand
Definitely had that as well, and the tactics still play well and are worth it. As I have said before on this website, anything above 6.0 will do well and enjoy the tactics you have designed
hakanardich676 said: How can i add these .fmf files? i tried so many times but i could not upload to fm 21.Why does not my game see these files? Version 21.4.0 Expand
You need to make sure they go to the right folder so your game knows they are there.
Assuming you have a standard windows install the tactics file should go to a location like the following:
C:\Users\<<insert your user name of pc here>>\Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2021\tactics
ZaZ said: They usually perform badly in any tactic using this formation. For attributes, I usually look for PAce, Acceleration, Agility and Jumping Reach. Expand
I agree but would add decisions as important for this role.
I would select the league and then sort by position. Look at around 20th and somewhere around that mark or a little lower should be fine, given the tactics here are pretty impressive. Double that so 40th or a little lower for duplicate positions like DCs.
No, not at all. They are taking a generic approach across all positions. I have attempted to harvest all the data I could to try and distil it down to each position. Like everything in life it is a judgement call, and I am happy with mine. I dont know if you have followed all my posts, but I am playing 3 teams in 3 different countries - St Albans low tier England, won Vanarama South when favorites to be relegated, Macarthur FC A-League mid table side won A-League, Holstein Kiel mid tier side Bundasliga 2 side won Bundasliga 2. Second season St Albans equal leaders VNL, Holstein Kiel 3rd in Bundasliga and Macarthur yet to start their campaign. I am thinking the ratings are working. But like @Egraam said, the ratings are really comparing positional ratings not the best players.
BeRe said: actually me too,dont undestand it.if i go and do these changes on rating what does it change in genie?how can i use it? Expand
Click on the GS logo top left, then mouse down to Ratings, then Edit Ratings. You can then replace what is there with the ones I have provided. Probably best to save the existing more you edit though so you can go back if you need to. To save, click on the Rating button bottom right. Save as a different file when you have finished inputting and you will have access to both sets of ratings and can move between them if you choose to.
It is for current ability. It weights the attributes in relation to the position, with the higher weighting being the most important attribute.
Here is an example. Standard ratings on GS of my Central Defenders at St Albans
My ratings of the same Central Defenders
Not much between them in the standard one but wouldnt you definitely buy the top one in my ratings. They are ranked by the column on the left which is the DC current ability
At this post I highlight the least costly most beneficial training attributes in order by position. This is for Individual training / Additional focus. Pick the attribute that needs most improvement for individual players for the position you want to play them in. You should also be training the player in the role you are going to use them in the Position/Role/Duty
- At the beginning of the game, Ronaldo's CA is 192. Ronaldo is natural at AM L; accomplished at S C and AM R; competent at AM C; and unconvincing at M R and M L.
- When I change Ronaldo to be natural at S C and every other position to 1, Ronaldo's recommend current ability (RCA) is 195. This means that Ronaldo's ability as a S C is higher than his CA. If I made these changes to Ronaldo's positions and didn't change his CA, within a few days the game would adjust some of Ronaldo's attributes down, so that his RCA would match his CA of 192.
- I also tried changing Ronaldo to natural as a D R and every other position to 1. When I do this, Ronaldo's RCA becomes 134. If I changed Ronaldo's positional attributes in this way and didn't lower his CA, within a few days the game would bump up his attributes across the board so that his CA as a DR would reach 192.
- Then I made Ronaldo natural at D R and S C. When I do this, his RCA is 178. This is between 195 (RCA as a SC) and 134 (RCA as a D R). However, it is not a simple average. In some earlier games, players with proficiency in many different positions had, often times, very very good attributes. I believe this had to do with the way the game averaged the RCA of different positions to calculate the overall CA. SI seems to have compensated for this potential bug by making the average biased towards the position the player is best at.
- When, besides being natural at D R and SC, I also make Ronaldo natural at D C (Ronaldo RCA when he is only a D C is 137), Ronaldo's RCA becomes 170. It seems like the weight given to the RCA in the position the player is less good at becomes even smaller when the player is proficient in many positions.
- I also tried starting Ronaldo as a S C only and then, one by one, increase his D R proficiency. Up until D R = 10, Ronaldo's RCA does not change. Starting at 11, Ronaldo's RCA steadily decreases as his DR proficiency increases, reaching 178 when his DR proficiency reaches 20. So, positions are "free" up to 10, and then gradually start to affect the CA weights of attributes.
So, my take is that the CA costs of attributes for players with multiple positions are an average of the CA costs of attributes of the different positions. However, this average CA cost is not a simple average (nor even a "simple" weighted average based on the proficiency in the positions). Rather, the CA cost of an attribute is "biased" towards the CA cost of the attribute in the position the player is best RCA-wise.
A player with 6 in attributes has a RCA of 0 with any natural position (also when I changed finishing to 5 in a striker, the in-game editor showed a RCA of -1; and when I changed finishing to 7 in a striker, the in-game editor showed a RCA of 1). This implies that you cannot just multiply the CA costs I posted originally by the attributes and get a player's CA. You have to subtract from that calculation, approximately, 6 x sum of the CA costs of all attributes.
That being said, I still wouldn't expect you could get the exact CA of a player by doing that calculation. As I explained in the original post, there is some quirks in the way the whole CA weighting of attributes works that I couldn't fully figure out. But the number should be in the neighborhood.
Attributes are not "free" up until 6. According to my testing, their cost seems similar below and above 6. What happens is that a player with CA = 1 has an allotment for attributes that is approximately 6 x CA cost of all attributes. You don't start with all attributes at 1 when CA is 1.
A player with 1 in all attributes and 2 in corners has RCA = -99 (when I put all attributes to 1 the in game editor shows RCA=0 -> this is probably because the editor is not prepared for that extreme).
From memory the match engine was 21.7 but the game version is 21.4. Could be wrong. Either way this is still good under the current game which wont change now until the FM22 game
Click on the column heading of Club and it will sort by club. You could read the user guide at https://www.fmscout.com/a-genie-scout-guide.html
Is this accurate?
As long as they are also rated as Natural in that position. It looks like he is Natural as a DR and still Natural as a WBR even though the position rating is 18. So yes, I think he probably is.
It really does depend what league you are managing in. Let me know and I will try and do this for you
Btw, it is not clear until it is evaluated whether this tactic is excellent. However, I can be sure that this play is the funniest tactic I've ever uploaded.
Thank you
That's a disappointing rating. I was really, really sure... lol
Definitely had that as well, and the tactics still play well and are worth it. As I have said before on this website, anything above 6.0 will do well and enjoy the tactics you have designed
You need to make sure they go to the right folder so your game knows they are there.
Assuming you have a standard windows install the tactics file should go to a location like the following:
C:\Users\<<insert your user name of pc here>>\Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2021\tactics
Or go to this tutorial
https://www.gamepur.com/guides/how-to-import-user-created-tactics-into-football-manager-2021
Hope this helps
I agree but would add decisions as important for this role.
Click on the GS logo top left, then mouse down to Ratings, then Edit Ratings. You can then replace what is there with the ones I have provided. Probably best to save the existing more you edit though so you can go back if you need to. To save, click on the Rating button bottom right. Save as a different file when you have finished inputting and you will have access to both sets of ratings and can move between them if you choose to.
Here is an example. Standard ratings on GS of my Central Defenders at St Albans
My ratings of the same Central Defenders
Not much between them in the standard one but wouldnt you definitely buy the top one in my ratings. They are ranked by the column on the left which is the DC current ability
https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/5079/
Hope this helps.
https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/5071/
So use use all relevant attributes weighted.