Thought process behind removing counter press was that we are already pushing up high in our defensive line, literally playing in the opposition half anyways
The screenshots will show the tactic as version 3.5, please be assured that the screenshots are for version 3.7, I made an error and tagged it as v3.5. Unfortunately I had already moved on to running v3.6 before I realised my mistake.
Changes -
Removed take more risks, dribble more and run wide with ball from FB Added cross from byline to FB Removed move into channels from AM
One other thing to remember mate is that over the last few years the AI have become more adaptive to your team, more changes in game are made by them etc... the game is evolving year and year. AI is getting better and better each game
dubbed5 said: Hi guys. I'm a veteran FM player, having played more than 1000 hours with FM2013.
What I really loved is that I could play ANY style I wanted if I had the right players.
I won leagues with mid-level teams using a very solid 4-1-4-1 formation, with counter or defensive mentality, a very deep defensive line, with no pressing. Most of our matches were like 1-0, 0-0, 2-1, etc. We didn't score much but also rarely conceded; even stronger teams struggled against our defense.
I also had success with slow-tempo, short-passing tiki-taka tactics, getting 65-70% average possession.
Then on other saves, I went full attacking with a 4-2-3-1 formation (2 MC, 3 AMC) and scored the most goals in the league, even though we weren't the strongest team.
After 10 years, I came back to FM, and I'm disgusted by FM2024's match engine. Apparently, nothing works except gegenpressing. Tactical instructions don't make any difference. I can't get results with slow-tempo tiki-taka or catenaccio styles even though I have the right players.
I read about FM-Arena in a Reddit post and found it very useful. Your tactical instructions and attribute testings basically verified what I feel after ~150 hours playing FM2024: most of the tactical instructions don't do anything, except for a few like high tempo and pressing. And most player attributes are meaningless, except for the meta attributes. This game is seriously broken.
As I skipped every FM between 13 and 24, what would you guys say, which one has the best match engine? By "best," I mean the one where I could succeed playing any style of tactic I want, not just high tempo gegenpress. Expand
I feel your pain to be honest mate
The match engine is certainly biased towards certain formations and instructions, however I feel this year's is better than perhaps the last 2/3 games. There is such a mix of tactics using differently mentalities and instructions, albeit the tactics are using similar instructions but its good to see that different mentalities are working.
A lot of this game still is having the right players in your shape, acceleration and pace are OP and have been for a few years now. I firmly believe that once you have a team full of physical monsters then you can get away with most playing styles. Obviously some playing styles will out perform others and some playing styles are useless but I have seen successful saves from people using wing play, route one and vertical tika taka.
In terms of best games, the last FM that made me think "this game is brilliant" was FM17
Changes -
Removed take more risks, dribble more, run wide with ball, shoot less often and stay wider
Added sit narrower
Added dribble more to DM
Madness
Changes -
Counter press removed
Thought process behind removing counter press was that we are already pushing up high in our defensive line, literally playing in the opposition half anyways
Yep, quite a large drop off too, it appears that risk taking is OP
The screenshots will show the tactic as version 3.5, please be assured that the screenshots are for version 3.7, I made an error and tagged it as v3.5. Unfortunately I had already moved on to running v3.6 before I realised my mistake.
Changes -
Removed take more risks, dribble more and run wide with ball from FB
Added cross from byline to FB
Removed move into channels from AM
What I really loved is that I could play ANY style I wanted if I had the right players.
I won leagues with mid-level teams using a very solid 4-1-4-1 formation, with counter or defensive mentality, a very deep defensive line, with no pressing. Most of our matches were like 1-0, 0-0, 2-1, etc. We didn't score much but also rarely conceded; even stronger teams struggled against our defense.
I also had success with slow-tempo, short-passing tiki-taka tactics, getting 65-70% average possession.
Then on other saves, I went full attacking with a 4-2-3-1 formation (2 MC, 3 AMC) and scored the most goals in the league, even though we weren't the strongest team.
After 10 years, I came back to FM, and I'm disgusted by FM2024's match engine. Apparently, nothing works except gegenpressing. Tactical instructions don't make any difference. I can't get results with slow-tempo tiki-taka or catenaccio styles even though I have the right players.
I read about FM-Arena in a Reddit post and found it very useful. Your tactical instructions and attribute testings basically verified what I feel after ~150 hours playing FM2024: most of the tactical instructions don't do anything, except for a few like high tempo and pressing. And most player attributes are meaningless, except for the meta attributes. This game is seriously broken.
As I skipped every FM between 13 and 24, what would you guys say, which one has the best match engine? By "best," I mean the one where I could succeed playing any style of tactic I want, not just high tempo gegenpress.
I feel your pain to be honest mate
The match engine is certainly biased towards certain formations and instructions, however I feel this year's is better than perhaps the last 2/3 games. There is such a mix of tactics using differently mentalities and instructions, albeit the tactics are using similar instructions but its good to see that different mentalities are working.
A lot of this game still is having the right players in your shape, acceleration and pace are OP and have been for a few years now. I firmly believe that once you have a team full of physical monsters then you can get away with most playing styles. Obviously some playing styles will out perform others and some playing styles are useless but I have seen successful saves from people using wing play, route one and vertical tika taka.
In terms of best games, the last FM that made me think "this game is brilliant" was FM17
Changes -
Added cross from byline to FBs (I wanted to encourage them to get as far forward as possible like an "overlap" )
It's a brilliant tactic pal, it did very well
well you should celebrate mate, that is a very good result
Changes-
Mentality to very attacking
Changes -
Mentality to Balanced
Wow, good going that, thanks for testing pal
Not too shabby, 96 pts and 4 cups in the bag. Thank you, I'm glad you're enjoying it