kvasir said: Haha, sorry, feels like we’re speaking different languages here. I’m not filtering based on attributes at all. That’s the whole reason I’m using Genie Scout—so I can feed it the attribute weightings, and it spits out the player ratings for me.
The only time I really look at attributes is when I’m choosing between two players with similar ratings. For example, if I’ve got two CBs both rated 85%, I’ll pick the one with higher jumping reach because I want to score more from set pieces. Same with fullbacks—I’ll go for the one with more pace.
But yeah, overall, I’m just relying on the ratings. Sorry if I’m still not answering your question properly, lol. Expand
Ah right, I get you now, I always search using attribute values
kvasir said: Ah, fair enough. I don’t really have the patience for long-term saves right now to see how training schedules play out.
The ratings I use are basically the same as the ones @Bafici posted. They’re split into two groups—Defensive (CB, FB, DM) and Offensive (Wingers, Strikers). So, if a player’s natural in both Winger and Striker, they’ll have the same rating. Same goes for CB-FB or FB-DM. Whereas if he is accomplished as a Winger, but natural as a Striker, Genie Scout will automatically take that into consideration when calculating his rating.
Is it ideal? Probably not, but I’ve got no idea how to make sense of the latest testing when it comes to specific positions. That’s why I stick to the Defensive and Offensive split based on 'goals against' and 'goals for.' Really hoping the FM Arena team does more testing with position-specific stuff — it’d make things way easier. Expand
Aye, but that is weighting of certain attributes isn't it? what about when searching for a player? what attributes are you looking for, say for a full back?
kvasir said: Interesting approach, but why prioritize PA over everything else? Wouldn't the potential positional rating be more relevant if you're focusing on potential?
I tried an experiment with Alavés in 2027 after leaving my previous job and ended up winning the title in my first season. The club was predicted to finish 17th, and I sold almost the entire squad, keeping only the goalkeeper. Using the ratings from above (tweaked a bit), I finished with 101 points, just one more than Klopp’s Real Madrid, and only lost three games—twice to Real and once to Barca away (despite having a higher xG in that match). I had a net spend of just €7 million and only signed players based on current positional ratings since I wasn’t planning to continue the save and didn’t care about their long-term potential. Expand
I focus on PA due to the training schedules by Harvest. The bigger the difference in CA and PA the more I can get out of acceleration and pace for them players. In regards to attributes per position, can you share what you look for?
Bafici said: I will from now on If you are going to ask about achievements i can't tell right now. Expand
Sorry its not achievements I'm after, when using Genie Scout, I use the PA over anything else, I completely disregards the position and potential rating, was just wondering what others do when deciding on which players to buy on GS
Bafici said: I think genie scout takes positional rating into account when calculating. Even though all the numbers are the same, rating is different for every position. Expand
but what do you do? do you go off the ratings when looking to buy a player?
BulldozerJokic said: @CBP87 hi, I've got a question a little off-topic if you don't mind. How do you think you would adjust God of Chaos if you were to move one of the DMs to CM poistion? Do you think there is a way without loosing balance too much? Expand
Hello, in all honesty I wouldn't, I think the double pivot in DM is just better, the CM role is no where near as effective in my opinion. However If I was going to move one of them to CM, then I would move him to a CM on support but I do think you would lose the balance of the tactic
Y15ARG said: Was looking for something using a Poacher rather than AF, amazed what a difference it made to its score here Expand
I was a bit shocked by the difference in score too, you'd expect pass into space and a poacher to work rather well with one another but unfortunately it appears not to
Zippo said: Guys, a small notice here. Recently, I posted a guide how to search players with FMRTE based on the fm-arena attribute testing. But we found that FMRTE has an issue when it come to the Position Ratings, it's only possible to set them for the striker position and the application evaluates any other positions only on the Striker position ratings.
However, despite the issue, it's still possible to use FMRTE for searching players based on the position rating but it might be very confusing for some people so we decided to remove the guide about FMRTE.
I just wanted to let you what happened to the guide and why it's gone.
Cheers. Expand
Will you be looking to do something similar for Genie Scout?
@Zippo Going off what you've found so far, minus acceleration and pace, what would you say are the go to attributes? is there a certain value threshold that we should look for? e.g +15 points
nijak05 said: Thank you! I bought Osimhen as my main striker - granted we are only 7 games in but he is having regular 6.3-6.4 ratings and looks like he is missing big chances. My AMC is Cole palmer, my AML is kvaratshelia and my AMR is Sterling/yamal/nkunku so I feel like it’s not because he isn’t provided .. is he just overrated or am I being impatient.. was hoping for better performances from a 105 Million pound player.
Tips? Expand
I'd say give him time, I've had Osimhen on this game and he is a beast
nijak05 said: Ok I will just keep at it.. any traits I should be aware of for the front line players - “likes to beat man repeatedly etc?” What do you recommend? Expand
beats offside trap for AF and IF, plays killer passes for AM and cuts inside for IF. I also make sure I had a left footed IF on the right hand side and a right footed IF on the left
Sandro said: Ouch Consistency turns out to be an influential attribute, that's surprising for me. Expand
I'd say at a +10 mate, I wouldn't bother with it. I'm not sure what the threshold is but I would probably just concentrate on attributes that has a value of +15
The only time I really look at attributes is when I’m choosing between two players with similar ratings. For example, if I’ve got two CBs both rated 85%, I’ll pick the one with higher jumping reach because I want to score more from set pieces. Same with fullbacks—I’ll go for the one with more pace.
But yeah, overall, I’m just relying on the ratings. Sorry if I’m still not answering your question properly, lol.
Ah right, I get you now, I always search using attribute values
The ratings I use are basically the same as the ones @Bafici posted. They’re split into two groups—Defensive (CB, FB, DM) and Offensive (Wingers, Strikers). So, if a player’s natural in both Winger and Striker, they’ll have the same rating. Same goes for CB-FB or FB-DM. Whereas if he is accomplished as a Winger, but natural as a Striker, Genie Scout will automatically take that into consideration when calculating his rating.
Is it ideal? Probably not, but I’ve got no idea how to make sense of the latest testing when it comes to specific positions. That’s why I stick to the Defensive and Offensive split based on 'goals against' and 'goals for.' Really hoping the FM Arena team does more testing with position-specific stuff — it’d make things way easier.
Aye, but that is weighting of certain attributes isn't it? what about when searching for a player? what attributes are you looking for, say for a full back?
Thanks
I tried an experiment with Alavés in 2027 after leaving my previous job and ended up winning the title in my first season. The club was predicted to finish 17th, and I sold almost the entire squad, keeping only the goalkeeper. Using the ratings from above (tweaked a bit), I finished with 101 points, just one more than Klopp’s Real Madrid, and only lost three games—twice to Real and once to Barca away (despite having a higher xG in that match). I had a net spend of just €7 million and only signed players based on current positional ratings since I wasn’t planning to continue the save and didn’t care about their long-term potential.
I focus on PA due to the training schedules by Harvest. The bigger the difference in CA and PA the more I can get out of acceleration and pace for them players. In regards to attributes per position, can you share what you look for?
Sorry its not achievements I'm after, when using Genie Scout, I use the PA over anything else, I completely disregards the position and potential rating, was just wondering what others do when deciding on which players to buy on GS
but what do you do? do you go off the ratings when looking to buy a player?
Defensive- Same for CB-FB-WB-DM
Offensive Same for AMC-WG-FS. For tall striker i made jumping reach 50.
Do you go off position rating when looking to buy new players?
Hello, in all honesty I wouldn't, I think the double pivot in DM is just better, the CM role is no where near as effective in my opinion. However If I was going to move one of them to CM, then I would move him to a CM on support but I do think you would lose the balance of the tactic
I was a bit shocked by the difference in score too, you'd expect pass into space and a poacher to work rather well with one another but unfortunately it appears not to
However, despite the issue, it's still possible to use FMRTE for searching players based on the position rating but it might be very confusing for some people so we decided to remove the guide about FMRTE.
I just wanted to let you what happened to the guide and why it's gone.
Cheers.
Will you be looking to do something similar for Genie Scout?
Thanks
Changes-
Shoot less often added to FB and DM
Great work as always
I bought Osimhen as my main striker - granted we are only 7 games in but he is having regular 6.3-6.4 ratings and looks like he is missing big chances.
My AMC is Cole palmer, my AML is kvaratshelia and my AMR is Sterling/yamal/nkunku so I feel like it’s not because he isn’t provided .. is he just overrated or am I being impatient.. was hoping for better performances from a 105
Million pound player.
Tips?
I'd say give him time, I've had Osimhen on this game and he is a beast
any traits I should be aware of for the front line players - “likes to beat man repeatedly etc?” What do you recommend?
beats offside trap for AF and IF, plays killer passes for AM and cuts inside for IF. I also make sure I had a left footed IF on the right hand side and a right footed IF on the left
I'd say at a +10 mate, I wouldn't bother with it. I'm not sure what the threshold is but I would probably just concentrate on attributes that has a value of +15
Full back take fewer risks and I've also added pass it shorter to the full back. It was to help with ball retention