Thanks! @ta2199 and @Mark helped a lot with feedback and suggestions. At least now @Magician will be more motivated than ever to bring an even stronger version of Phoenix.
Exsodya said: I'm playing on the Xbox. Could you please share tactic’s screenshots for me? Expand
Everything is in the first post, except set pieces. I will add set pieces later today.
Mark said: Wow - that is so impressive. DId you go up every season or did it take a few season at some levels Expand
Yeah, all in a row. But I definitely don't expect to do anything in the first year of Premier League. I'll be happy if I manage to grab a spot in the Europe Cup, but I'm actually expecting just to survive the first year. For reference, I've got 350k euros from TV last year in the lower division, while Premier League will pay me over 70mi euros. My entire team's wage was around 1mi euros, while players now ask for almost 1mi to sign a contract in Premier League. I can't afford that yet, so I set my wage ceiling to 300k, 500k if extremely good player, then I'll increase it to 1mi next year. It's a year to build up squad and facilities. My new stadium just finished building (started at League One) and both coaching and recruitment are at max level. Now I want to max training (adequate) and youth (good) facilities.
Below is how my team went through the seasons. 20/21: Champion in Vanarama North + FA Trophy 21/22: Champion in Vanarama National 22/23: Champion in Vanarama League Two 23/24: Champion in Vanarama League One + Papa John Cup 24/25: 5th in Skybet Championship (promoted in qualifiers)
My squad still have three players that were with me the entire journey from Vanarama North. Below are their stats. I also added Sol Hamilton, the best player in my team.
Zippo said: No worries, thank you for your comprehension.
The previous versions are far from being useless because it's always very useful to know what worked well for the previous patches and how you've been changing your tactics from patch to patch. Also, there are some people that keep their Steam clients in 'Offline mode' to avoid updates so they are still on the previous patches.
Also, having different tactics with the same name is extremely confusion. Imagine, people were discussing and positing results for a tactic that was called Blue 2.0 but you've deleted it and uploaded a different tactic with the same name. Now people are discussing and uploading results for a tactic that's is also called Blue 2.0 but it's a different tactic. Could you imagine how confusing it will be for people that only recently stumbled across your thread?
Higher version number should indicate a more recent tactic.
If you think that some of the previous versions(e.g. Blue 2.1) is the best for the 21.4 patch then there's nothing wrong in uploading it once more but with a different name(e.g. Blue 3.0).
Please, let me know when you sort it out.
Thanks. Expand
Ohh, didn't think it would be fine to just rename it to higher number. Gonna update it.
Deleting your tactics, especially those which were tested, creates great confusion for everyone and nullifies our work. Please, never do that.
Tell me when you sort out your threads and I'll add your new tactics in the queue.
Thanks. Expand
Sorry, I thought it wasn't useful anymore since you can't roll back to previous patch. I will get it back immediately. I deleted because I thought it would confuse people to have a version 2.2 that is outdated while version 2.1 is considered the one to be used in this patch, so I thought it would confuse people to leave them there.
Updated for this patch. Since I Blue 2.1 performed better in my experiments, this one is a variation of that tactic instead of 2.2 or 3.0 (which failed).
Dark Blue is just a very attacking option of Blue, just like the very attacking version of Phoenix. I put it there because a few people asked for it before.
I've removed Blue 2.2 from the first post since it now performs worse than 2.1. If anyone still wants to use it, it's the same as 2.1, but with "Use Tighter Marking" option enabled.
I'll keep Blue 2.1 for this patch since my attempt of 3.0 was also performing worse than 2.1. Unfortunately, Phoenix became too similar to Blue, so I'll probably set it aside for a while to work in different formations. @Zippo can test Blue 2.1 anytime.
@Mark, my Leamington side just reached Premier League. It wasn't as easy as the other seasons, since I ended 5th and only got promoted on playoffs. I guess the final playoff was the most stressing match I played in a long while, with my team barely holding a 1-0 lead against a much stronger team. For reference, a single player from the worst team in Sky Bet Championship (second division in Englad) has the wage of my entire team.
Maybe Wingers also work better with forwards, since they go up more than Defensive Wingers.
Thanks! @ta2199 and @Mark helped a lot with feedback and suggestions. At least now @Magician will be more motivated than ever to bring an even stronger version of Phoenix.
Exsodya said: I'm playing on the Xbox. Could you please share tactic’s screenshots for me?
Everything is in the first post, except set pieces. I will add set pieces later today.
P.S.: Added screenshots for set pieces, @Exsodya.
Best tactic of FM20 also got 7.2. Hopefully we can get even better in FM21!
Yes.. Yes... I'm very cruel
Nah, you are completely right!
P.S.: Funny thing that this is just 2.1 renamed to 3.0. I couldn't improve it and kinda gave up.
Yeah, all in a row. But I definitely don't expect to do anything in the first year of Premier League. I'll be happy if I manage to grab a spot in the Europe Cup, but I'm actually expecting just to survive the first year. For reference, I've got 350k euros from TV last year in the lower division, while Premier League will pay me over 70mi euros. My entire team's wage was around 1mi euros, while players now ask for almost 1mi to sign a contract in Premier League. I can't afford that yet, so I set my wage ceiling to 300k, 500k if extremely good player, then I'll increase it to 1mi next year. It's a year to build up squad and facilities. My new stadium just finished building (started at League One) and both coaching and recruitment are at max level. Now I want to max training (adequate) and youth (good) facilities.
Below is how my team went through the seasons.
20/21: Champion in Vanarama North + FA Trophy
21/22: Champion in Vanarama National
22/23: Champion in Vanarama League Two
23/24: Champion in Vanarama League One + Papa John Cup
24/25: 5th in Skybet Championship (promoted in qualifiers)
My squad still have three players that were with me the entire journey from Vanarama North. Below are their stats. I also added Sol Hamilton, the best player in my team.
The previous versions are far from being useless because it's always very useful to know what worked well for the previous patches and how you've been changing your tactics from patch to patch. Also, there are some people that keep their Steam clients in 'Offline mode' to avoid updates so they are still on the previous patches.
Also, having different tactics with the same name is extremely confusion. Imagine, people were discussing and positing results for a tactic that was called Blue 2.0 but you've deleted it and uploaded a different tactic with the same name. Now people are discussing and uploading results for a tactic that's is also called Blue 2.0 but it's a different tactic. Could you imagine how confusing it will be for people that only recently stumbled across your thread?
Please, check this - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/3977/
Thanks.
Fixed.
Higher version number should indicate a more recent tactic.
If you think that some of the previous versions(e.g. Blue 2.1) is the best for the 21.4 patch then there's nothing wrong in uploading it once more but with a different name(e.g. Blue 3.0).
Please, let me know when you sort it out.
Thanks.
Ohh, didn't think it would be fine to just rename it to higher number. Gonna update it.
Please, check this - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/3967/.
Thanks.
Fixed. Sorry for the trouble.
Please, restore the 2.2 version which was tested.
Deleting your tactics, especially those which were tested, creates great confusion for everyone and nullifies our work. Please, never do that.
Tell me when you sort out your threads and I'll add your new tactics in the queue.
Thanks.
Sorry, I thought it wasn't useful anymore since you can't roll back to previous patch. I will get it back immediately. I deleted because I thought it would confuse people to have a version 2.2 that is outdated while version 2.1 is considered the one to be used in this patch, so I thought it would confuse people to leave them there.
Dark Blue is just a very attacking option of Blue, just like the very attacking version of Phoenix. I put it there because a few people asked for it before.
I'll keep Blue 2.1 for this patch since my attempt of 3.0 was also performing worse than 2.1. Unfortunately, Phoenix became too similar to Blue, so I'll probably set it aside for a while to work in different formations. @Zippo can test Blue 2.1 anytime.
Are you going to update this for the 21.4 patch?
Thanks.
Yes, I will post the version based on 3.0 as soon as I am satisfied with this version.
Not much changed, it still works.
P.S.: I will play around with attacking throw-ins and create a 3.0 version. It might take a few days since I'm quite busy with other assignments.