Cyborg said: I don't know but lowering the mentality in this tactic doesn't work for me. Expand
It makes sense, since the extra striker benefits from hhaving a more direct game play (less players in the midfield). What about lower mentality and higher pass directness to compensate? I'm just brainstorming ideas here, not sure if any would work well.
I was thinking to use this tactic, but I like to have a defensive option for holding on to a lead in tough games/etc.
Narrow Blue Line by Mark has 1.34 GA GP (goals against per game) in testing and uses a similar shape, just 1 of the SS moved to DM, was thinking to alternate between the two tactics, using Mark's to hold onto leads and VOID to start all games.
Anyone tried similar or have any thoughts/suggestions? Expand
How does it get if you change mentality to cautious?
Yellow is my attempt to make Inverted Wingers viable, since they don't seem to work well in this patch. The tactic has only one striker to make sure spaces don't overlap when cutting inside. To improve width and depth, we use Wing Backs instead of Inverted Wing Backs. The rest is very similar to Blue 3.0.
Here is the tactic and results from a holiday test with Manchester City and Fulham.
Let me know in the comments how it performed for you!
Mornon said: I'm doing some testing, still a work in progress... All tests have been done on fm-base database, all teams are frozen in order to reduce variability.
The subtop team got CA165, the underdog CA140. For each run first column is the subtop team, second one is the underdog. Ask if something is not clear. @ZaZ how is it going with the roaming regista? Expand
Thank you for the tests! 4-2-2-2 looks nice. Have you tried it with DW instead of W?
P.S.: I was actually sidetracking to other ideas. I didn't run the double RPM yet.
P.S.2: I tested the 4222 here and it didn't give better results for my method of testing. Maybe it will be very good in fm-base or even here, but in my way of testing, Blue 3.0 is better.
Mark said: I have the CM staying wider. looking at firming up the defence and giving some of the attackers more freedom to roam. Looking solid so far. Got some better results so far. Still looking to tweak it further. Expand
Crazy suggestion: Move one DM forward as CM-De, in the middle of a line of three, then set the other right behind him as RPM, with the option to move into channels. Set both other CM-At to move into channels too.
No idea how it will go, but it would be interesting to know if the CM-De will give freedom for the others to attack while providing an extra layer of defense in front of the DM.
Mark said: Better than Johan Cruyff hey @ZaZ. Not too bad for my first attempt. Working on an update at the moment. Think I know where there are a few problems with this tactic but time will tell Expand
Maybe CM and SS are fighting for the same space. How does it go if you ask both SS to stay wider?
c00kamunga said: Since Inverted Wing-Backs are so hard to find, is there any way to change the DR and DL to Wing-Backs or Full-Backs, without sacrificing too much? Cheers Expand
Your assistant opinion on role suitability is useless. Just ignore it and play a normal DR/L there.
mau do passado said: Anyone struggling with the DM position? Average rating doesn't get any higher then 6.7/6.8. I've tried this tactic with different teams and players in that position, always with the same result. For example, i'm playing with Daniel Bragança now, in 16 appearances he has an average rating of 6.79. Thanks!! Expand
@ta2199@Prysiu I created this because every now and then someone asks if they can change DW to W, because they prefer that role. Personally, I am still playing with DW, because I think the higher goal difference makes the matches more entertaining to watch.
This tactic is really good. Probably one of the best tactics when you are favorite. I wish they had a column in the table to show matches home and away, or against stronger team vs weaker team.
P.S.: I know @Cyborg probably tested it already, but I wanted to know how this tactic would behave with less aggressive mentality, like Attacking or Positive, since it definitely has no problem scoring.
This is a tweak of Blue 3.0, with Wingers instead of Defensive Wingers. To work well, they inherited similar player instructions, including Close Down More to press against throw-ins. In my experiments, it gets more points per season than Blue 3.0, but also a smaller goal difference. Just like Blue 3.0, you can change the role of DLP to DM with similar results.
Mornon said: aaaaah so disappointing, for a moment I thought you managed to break the match engine even more
About IWs-WBs combo, seems like this year they're not so effective, probably because you lose the great deal of having IWBs turning into central midfielders giving more cover. And I think also that if you change the tactic to something like WB BPD BPD WB - DLP - CM CM - IW SS IW you still risk to overload the center because of the two CM with attacking attitude and move into channels instructions. Ju my thoughts thou Expand
I plan to use two DM, possibly as RPM like Afterlife tactic.
Mornon said: Amazing work with your tactic! I'm curious about that Blue 4.0 now... :P Expand
Haha, that was an empty space for the not done yet Blue 4.0. I just used it to put results from 3.0 with some favorable conditions, like retraining positions and asking assistant manager to use specific team during holiday mode. It's not valid for anything, I did it just for fun and forgot to rename.
P.S.: For anyone in doubt of preferred foot for wingers, these are my thoughts. Same foot as side favors crossing and cutting outside to reach the byline. Opposite foot as side favors shooting and cutting inside to reach the box. Usually, you want wingers with the same foot when you have two or more strikers (including shadow strikers), since the space inside the box is already occupied. When you use only one striker, then you would prefer wingers with opposite foot and wingbacks doing the task of reaching the byline, to give width and depth. This is just theory, obviously, and the match engine might not agree with me. I'll try a tactic with inverted wingers later to see how it goes, with one striker and marauding wingbacks.
CBond90 said: Is it just the case of copying the tactic as we see it in the screenshots or am I being stupid & there's a download link I'm missing? Thanks. Expand
Click "Tactic Source", then you will see the download in the first post. The tactics folder is "Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2021\tactics".
It makes sense, since the extra striker benefits from hhaving a more direct game play (less players in the midfield). What about lower mentality and higher pass directness to compensate? I'm just brainstorming ideas here, not sure if any would work well.
I was thinking to use this tactic, but I like to have a defensive option for holding on to a lead in tough games/etc.
Narrow Blue Line by Mark has 1.34 GA GP (goals against per game) in testing and uses a similar shape, just 1 of the SS moved to DM, was thinking to alternate between the two tactics, using Mark's to hold onto leads and VOID to start all games.
Anyone tried similar or have any thoughts/suggestions?
How does it get if you change mentality to cautious?
Here is the tactic and results from a holiday test with Manchester City and Fulham.
Let me know in the comments how it performed for you!
Can you give link for 4222?
Link is below.
Gpassosbh said: Hello @ZaZ , have you ever tried one strikerless with libero?
Yes, it sucks.
Can you give link for 4222?
Sure, let me just finish this current run with inverted wingers.
All tests have been done on fm-base database, all teams are frozen in order to reduce variability.
The subtop team got CA165, the underdog CA140. For each run first column is the subtop team, second one is the underdog.
Ask if something is not clear.
@ZaZ how is it going with the roaming regista?
Thank you for the tests! 4-2-2-2 looks nice. Have you tried it with DW instead of W?
P.S.: I was actually sidetracking to other ideas. I didn't run the double RPM yet.
P.S.2: I tested the 4222 here and it didn't give better results for my method of testing. Maybe it will be very good in fm-base or even here, but in my way of testing, Blue 3.0 is better.
Crazy suggestion: Move one DM forward as CM-De, in the middle of a line of three, then set the other right behind him as RPM, with the option to move into channels. Set both other CM-At to move into channels too.
No idea how it will go, but it would be interesting to know if the CM-De will give freedom for the others to attack while providing an extra layer of defense in front of the DM.
P.S.: Forget it. It's awful!
Maybe CM and SS are fighting for the same space. How does it go if you ask both SS to stay wider?
Your assistant opinion on role suitability is useless. Just ignore it and play a normal DR/L there.
It's normal, just ignore it.
P.S.: I know @Cyborg probably tested it already, but I wanted to know how this tactic would behave with less aggressive mentality, like Attacking or Positive, since it definitely has no problem scoring.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1062-zaz-blue-wings-3-0/
I thought it was better to create a new topic since it's a tweak of Blue 3.0, and not a direct improvement.
For details, check the original version: https://fm-arena.com/thread/884-zaz-blue-2-0/
Tactic and results for holiday mode are presented below.
Let me know in the comments how it performed for you!
About IWs-WBs combo, seems like this year they're not so effective, probably because you lose the great deal of having IWBs turning into central midfielders giving more cover.
And I think also that if you change the tactic to something like WB BPD BPD WB - DLP - CM CM - IW SS IW you still risk to overload the center because of the two CM with attacking attitude and move into channels instructions.
Ju my thoughts thou
I plan to use two DM, possibly as RPM like Afterlife tactic.
I'm curious about that Blue 4.0 now... :P
Haha, that was an empty space for the not done yet Blue 4.0. I just used it to put results from 3.0 with some favorable conditions, like retraining positions and asking assistant manager to use specific team during holiday mode. It's not valid for anything, I did it just for fun and forgot to rename.
P.S.: For anyone in doubt of preferred foot for wingers, these are my thoughts. Same foot as side favors crossing and cutting outside to reach the byline. Opposite foot as side favors shooting and cutting inside to reach the box. Usually, you want wingers with the same foot when you have two or more strikers (including shadow strikers), since the space inside the box is already occupied. When you use only one striker, then you would prefer wingers with opposite foot and wingbacks doing the task of reaching the byline, to give width and depth. This is just theory, obviously, and the match engine might not agree with me. I'll try a tactic with inverted wingers later to see how it goes, with one striker and marauding wingbacks.
Thanks.
Click "Tactic Source", then you will see the download in the first post. The tactics folder is "Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2021\tactics".