100ka said: @ZaZ what its diferent of light and dark blue tacitic? Expand
Light is to save energy and avoid bookings, to use when you are winning the match. Dark is the same as Blue, but with Very Attacking mentality, to use when you are desperate for goals.
ta2199 said: @ZaZ I think change 1 SS to AP maybe could improve the tactic a a little bit Expand
To be honest, I can't stand asymmetry in tactics. Nothing wrong with people doing it, but my head has rejection to the concept and seeks symmetry. You can create a topic to test it if you want, but I think I'm done for FM21, since next edition comes in a couple of weeks.
Chatin said: Great tactic. Almost unbeatable. Wins Premier League, Champions League and Carabao Cup. Finalists in the FA Cup. Many games in the last month. Up to 7 games in the last 2 weeks. I signed Brandt at the winter market and sold Giroud.
Dark Blue, It has helped me at specific moments to score the goal I needed.
@ZaZ I have a question, when there are no matches in the national team matches, what training do you get? Expand
I would give one week vacation to everyone (to avoid fatigue), then Pre-Season until matches come back.
Kyle said: Ah, thank you. Would this still be the case if someone is better suited as an AP in the middle but the tactic has them set as a CM? Expand
I would rather follow the tactic role than what the assistant manager thinks or the favorite role of the player. Those things are completely worthless, because they consider some attributes that have very little impact in the game, as you can see in the table of important attributes.
Kyle said: Obviously a lot of the tactics on here are designed to get the most out of set generated players in a plug and play style, but my question is would that still be the case when you've got players with different abilities etc? For example, if someone is rated as a 4 star WB but only a 2 star IWB would you still get better results playing them as an IWB? Is it case by case? Do some positions perform better and some are fine to interchange? Expand
Assistant opinion on player's ability can be safely ignored, it has no effect in performance. They give low stars because, for FM development team, IWB should have opposite foot.
For a wingback, the preferred foot is important for shooting (which IWB-Su rarely do), crossing (they don't do either) and what direction they will pass the ball more often. Since most tactics try to balance the flow between flanks and center, it doesn't matter much.
100ka said: hello @ZaZ i try your tatcitic on my low lvl club in serbian league ... i promoted from 2nd devision and 4 sesaon i stay on midle table and now i want to try this ... so need me individaul trening for strikers ? i have af stiker now i put to trainer SS? and whan i use in-season and in-season 2 version of trainng? its be good to crate filter list for postion but this is so good for now tnx a lot and i shere my sesaon Expand
Hi! Put your strikers to train for SS. Accomplished players play almost as well as Natural, but you can really feel the difference if they are below accomplished. Some friendlies can help achieve Accomplished faster.
About the training, one is for two matches a week while the other is for one match a week.
Good job there! Make sure to keep an eye on fatigue (on medical centre) and keep the team motivated, because it's normal for them to get complacent when they are winning too much.
Probably my last tactic before FM22. It's basically Blue 3.0 with Play For Set Pieces and defenders as CD. Name is Blue Waves because I got inspiration on Waves V2 to test the changes. Below are the tactics and results from a holiday test with Manchester City and Fulham.
ta2199 said: After some season now we are EPL champion (Predicted 6th). Next target should be C1 Cup Here is our Key Player. He played well in both DM and MC Position And Here is the Best Player in the World now. Does this player worth to buy for 107Mil ? @ZaZ cause Im planning to bring him in Expand
Congratulations! Did you get relegated the other season, or you survived and then won?
About the best player, I would totally buy him. I usually have a rule to try and improve at least 10% of my team every year. However, if there is an extremely good player that I know will stay in the team until he retires (can't ever find many better than him), then I would make the sacrifice.
Keshk said: Is there anyway to save some energy to my players for next matches while winning by 2 goals or more ? Expand
Change mentality to cautious and add slow pace down to goalkeeper. You can also tell them to waste time often and stay on feet, but that will have a slightly bigger impact on your performance. If you don't care about performance because you are already winning by a lot, then you can also lower tempo to at least 50%.
@ZaZ is now @ZaZ. The change was made because ZaZ is the nickname I use in most places, and it was a bit weird to see "ZaZ - Blue by ZaZ" instead of just "Blue by ZaZ".
how many pre-season retreat weeks do you set? Do you play a friendly match a week? Expand
One friendly per week, for every week without an official match. The first week with official match I use the in-season training routine.
Remember that there are probably better training routines around there, that were throughly tested. Those are just the ones I use and I never did any experiment to optimize them.
ta2199 said: Yeah thats is my purpose for this season. Well It's a little bit suffering when watching your team get demolished almost every rounds. Now I know why people say EPL is so competitive Expand
I guess you should look at it in a positive way. Every time you get beaten to a pulp, think how the hell a team as bad as yours managed to get to EPL. You should be proud of carrying those deadwood there.
ta2199 said: I'm managing Harrogate for 4 seasons 1st season: Predicted 24th - End up 2nd 2nd season: Predicted 21st - End up 3rd 3rd season: Predicted 24th - End up 2nd
Honestly for the 3rd season I dont want a promotion cause I know my squad is not ready for the EPL ( the tranning ground is poor, doesnt have enough staff, squad CA range about 70-110, also small transfer budget for new season). In the 4th season now Im still 20th and that is fine because this was pretty much predictable. Me and my squad is just here for the money ( we have Balance of 40M for one season now and that will help very much for next season ). But I do think there is a large gap between Championship and EPL. Because with other save in other league like Bundesliga, I managed Kaiserlautern from 3.Liga to Bundesliga and the 3rd season we currently sit in middle of the table. Expand
Well, if you still have players on the 70's, then it's only natural that you are in the last spots. However, the money from EPL is too big compared to that of lower leagues, so even staying one year there and being relegated again will be worth it, allowing you to build a squad strong enough to survive next time you get promoted.
ta2199 said: @ZaZ Do you think EPL is like really hard for small team?. I'm currently managing Harrogate and sitting at the bottom of the table haha. Predicted but dont think EPL would be this hard. Expand
It depends on how small is your team. If your team has an average of 90-100 of CA, it will be almost impossible, but you should still end the season around mid table, from 8th to 12th position. If your average CA is around 120-130, then you should challenge the title, as long as you don't let your players get fatigued.
The thing is, if you pick the worst team of the championship and go on vacation for the whole season, this tactic should make you finish around the 5th or 6th place (during the first season). That means if you manage the team yourself, you should at least challenge the title. However, when you come from lower leagues, you can bring a team way worse than those from EPL, because players don't want to move to your team (low reputation) and you don't have enough money (first season with the new budget).
In my run with Leamington (from the lowest division), I needed two seasons to win the EPL, because the first one was used just to rebuild the squad. I finished it in 10th with a squad of CA 90-100. When I won during the second season, my first team had CA around 120-130.
I also managed to easily win Brazilian first division with the weakest team, newly promoted, because the average CA of the league is lower.
Markizio said: I remember I saw that info on the official SI site, someone of the mods/devs said that Consistency and Important Matches modify a player's CA (although not every attribute is affected) so it might be that the physical attributes aren't effected(I'm not sure)
Hehe... to answer that it requires do some match calculation
If the physical attributes aren't effected then I would not pay Consistency any attention. Expand
Yeah, I remember someone saying the same, that it doesn't affect physical attributes. It wouldn't make sense for a player to get weaker, slower or jump lower just because he is having a bad day.
Maxeneize said: Yes, I meant cohesion lines. My mind drew a blank trying to name them haha. It is weird, because both ss work together. Thanks for clarifying.
Also I am convinced the "second season syndrome" is just a myth. With decent man management you can improve every season without changing tactics
First season with Newcastle: 3rd in the league Second season: Third in the league, Semis in the CL and winner of the FA cup Third season... As you can notice looking at the stats I rotated a lot. That is very important Expand
Good job there!
Rotating isn't as hard as people make it look. I recently added a column to my selection screen for "matches missed in a row". Whenever one of my reserves reach 3 matches missed in a row, I let him play a full match to rest one of the first team players. I also fully rotate when there are only two or three days to rest between matches. With a team of 22 players for three seasons, no one got fatigued yet, even repeating main players most of the time.
Light is to save energy and avoid bookings, to use when you are winning the match. Dark is the same as Blue, but with Very Attacking mentality, to use when you are desperate for goals.
ta2199 said: @ZaZ I think change 1 SS to AP maybe could improve the tactic a a little bit
To be honest, I can't stand asymmetry in tactics. Nothing wrong with people doing it, but my head has rejection to the concept and seeks symmetry. You can create a topic to test it if you want, but I think I'm done for FM21, since next edition comes in a couple of weeks.
Chatin said: Great tactic. Almost unbeatable. Wins Premier League, Champions League and Carabao Cup. Finalists in the FA Cup. Many games in the last month. Up to 7 games in the last 2 weeks. I signed Brandt at the winter market and sold Giroud.
Dark Blue, It has helped me at specific moments to score the goal I needed.
@ZaZ I have a question, when there are no matches in the national team matches, what training do you get?
I would give one week vacation to everyone (to avoid fatigue), then Pre-Season until matches come back.
I would rather follow the tactic role than what the assistant manager thinks or the favorite role of the player. Those things are completely worthless, because they consider some attributes that have very little impact in the game, as you can see in the table of important attributes.
Assistant opinion on player's ability can be safely ignored, it has no effect in performance. They give low stars because, for FM development team, IWB should have opposite foot.
For a wingback, the preferred foot is important for shooting (which IWB-Su rarely do), crossing (they don't do either) and what direction they will pass the ball more often. Since most tactics try to balance the flow between flanks and center, it doesn't matter much.
Correct.
tnx a lot and i shere my sesaon
Hi! Put your strikers to train for SS. Accomplished players play almost as well as Natural, but you can really feel the difference if they are below accomplished. Some friendlies can help achieve Accomplished faster.
About the training, one is for two matches a week while the other is for one match a week.
Good job there! Make sure to keep an eye on fatigue (on medical centre) and keep the team motivated, because it's normal for them to get complacent when they are winning too much.
More information, like set pieces, best player attributes or training schedules can be found on the link below.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/884-zaz-blue-3-0
Leave a comment if you liked the tactic and make sure to share your results. Enjoy!
Waves V2 and v3 weren't tested, I wonder how they would go with SS instead of AF.
Here is our Key Player. He played well in both DM and MC Position
And Here is the Best Player in the World now. Does this player worth to buy for 107Mil ? @ZaZ cause Im planning to bring him in
Congratulations! Did you get relegated the other season, or you survived and then won?
About the best player, I would totally buy him. I usually have a rule to try and improve at least 10% of my team every year. However, if there is an extremely good player that I know will stay in the team until he retires (can't ever find many better than him), then I would make the sacrifice.
Seems like it's made for defenses with three players, acting as a central defender when defending and as a wingback when in possession.
Change mentality to cautious and add slow pace down to goalkeeper. You can also tell them to waste time often and stay on feet, but that will have a slightly bigger impact on your performance. If you don't care about performance because you are already winning by a lot, then you can also lower tempo to at least 50%.
how many pre-season retreat weeks do you set? Do you play a friendly match a week?
One friendly per week, for every week without an official match. The first week with official match I use the in-season training routine.
Remember that there are probably better training routines around there, that were throughly tested. Those are just the ones I use and I never did any experiment to optimize them.
I guess you should look at it in a positive way. Every time you get beaten to a pulp, think how the hell a team as bad as yours managed to get to EPL. You should be proud of carrying those deadwood there.
just me said: man u
Manchester United are such a good team in paper, but I doubt they will get anywhere this season. Solskjaer just doesn't look like a champion.
1st season: Predicted 24th - End up 2nd
2nd season: Predicted 21st - End up 3rd
3rd season: Predicted 24th - End up 2nd
Honestly for the 3rd season I dont want a promotion cause I know my squad is not ready for the EPL ( the tranning ground is poor, doesnt have enough staff, squad CA range about 70-110, also small transfer budget for new season).
In the 4th season now Im still 20th and that is fine because this was pretty much predictable. Me and my squad is just here for the money ( we have Balance of 40M for one season now and that will help very much for next season ).
But I do think there is a large gap between Championship and EPL. Because with other save in other league like Bundesliga, I managed Kaiserlautern from 3.Liga to Bundesliga and the 3rd season we currently sit in middle of the table.
Well, if you still have players on the 70's, then it's only natural that you are in the last spots. However, the money from EPL is too big compared to that of lower leagues, so even staying one year there and being relegated again will be worth it, allowing you to build a squad strong enough to survive next time you get promoted.
It depends on how small is your team. If your team has an average of 90-100 of CA, it will be almost impossible, but you should still end the season around mid table, from 8th to 12th position. If your average CA is around 120-130, then you should challenge the title, as long as you don't let your players get fatigued.
The thing is, if you pick the worst team of the championship and go on vacation for the whole season, this tactic should make you finish around the 5th or 6th place (during the first season). That means if you manage the team yourself, you should at least challenge the title. However, when you come from lower leagues, you can bring a team way worse than those from EPL, because players don't want to move to your team (low reputation) and you don't have enough money (first season with the new budget).
In my run with Leamington (from the lowest division), I needed two seasons to win the EPL, because the first one was used just to rebuild the squad. I finished it in 10th with a squad of CA 90-100. When I won during the second season, my first team had CA around 120-130.
I also managed to easily win Brazilian first division with the weakest team, newly promoted, because the average CA of the league is lower.
Hehe... to answer that it requires do some match calculation
If the physical attributes aren't effected then I would not pay Consistency any attention.
Yeah, I remember someone saying the same, that it doesn't affect physical attributes. It wouldn't make sense for a player to get weaker, slower or jump lower just because he is having a bad day.
Also I am convinced the "second season syndrome" is just a myth. With decent man management you can improve every season without changing tactics
First season with Newcastle: 3rd in the league
Second season: Third in the league, Semis in the CL and winner of the FA cup
Third season... As you can notice looking at the stats I rotated a lot. That is very important
Good job there!
Rotating isn't as hard as people make it look. I recently added a column to my selection screen for "matches missed in a row". Whenever one of my reserves reach 3 matches missed in a row, I let him play a full match to rest one of the first team players. I also fully rotate when there are only two or three days to rest between matches. With a team of 22 players for three seasons, no one got fatigued yet, even repeating main players most of the time.