Ole said: do you have a special training calendar or how can it be better configured so that players recover faster? Expand
Same training from first page of blue. To recover faster, I usually rest tired players from training after matches, one or two days (depending on how tired they are). Last season, for example, I had two matches per week all year long, with only three times with full week to rest.
Joe said: well done ZaZ,great job your doing there mate. Expand
Thanks! I have around 2.5 mi euros per year of wage budget, which means around 250k per position (for two players). Some players will definitely ask more than that to renew and I will need to let them go (or wait for the end of contract), but I hope I can build some acceptable squad to get promoted.
Just closing the season. We got promoted this year and won Papa's John Cup again. My goals for next season is to be promoted to Premier League, which won't be so easy since Sky Bet Championship is way harder than previous divisions. Since some teams come from Premier League, they arrive with better squad and way more money than everyone else, so I need to build a squad to at least reach play offs.
OpticFawn said: @Mark, a few years in the future, so that's a regen but it is not very close to any of the players in the rating range.
sure I'll post it here Expand
What he is saying is that you probably downloaded the rating, but didn't make it active. You can have several ratings in your folder, but only one is active at a time.
Thirty five matches now, I should get promoted in the next few games. I was kicked from Carabao by Tottenham, but got over a million euros in gate receipts. Also got kicked from FA Cup by a team from my league, probably my fault for letting players get complacent. Other than that, the season is going reasonably well and I should always remember my main goals were to be promoted and to get enough rewards to upgrade my facilities (which I got).
About facilities, I have upgraded youth recruitment and junior coach yet again, as well as youth and training facilities. Finances are good and I should get some good participation money by the end of season. If I'm lucky enough, I can get perfect youth setup before reaching premier league.
P.S.: Almost forgot to say, but they bought my defender by release clause and gave me back on loan to the end of season. Nothing I could do there, I usually remove release clauses from contract, but sometimes players force them and you just need to accept.
OpticFawn said: Hey, @Mark and @ZaZ This is weird, this player according to genie under the zaz 25 under 50 rating has the guy rated better than all of my strikers but looks the worst? what do you guys think I'm seeing this on other players.
José Huanca rating = 73.1
Dennis = 69.65
Junior Arias = 71.18
As you can see Jose is the highest by a fair bit and looks the worst out of the 3. Expand
I assume you are using the balanced version from Mark, since it shows target striker. I agree with you that first player should be scored lower than second, but he probably has a higher concentration of attributes in the most important values.
I'm playing fm22 on xbox X. Season 27/28 with toon. ME 22.3.
Was using atactic from sigames forum, Paris 4231, which was doing reasonably with my strong PL Newcastle team. Some reason last season started getting more frequent hammerings away from home. 5 nil to Roma in CL knockout stages, 5 nil to Liverpool, 4 nil to Chelsea. COupled in with crap losses at home/away to very average PL sides. Was clocking maybe from season before that that I always seemed to lose away to big sides - and get hammered too often as well for some reason, despite having team full of good, leading and world class players. Was getting better results with so called less players previously (won only title 2 or 3 years back with same 4231 paris tactic). Also seemed increase in losses to random teams, dropping points at home etc Suddenly was starting to lose faith in what kind of performance my previously dominant team would turn out. Yes we'd lose odd game to average/lower pl sides away and top teams, but generally we'd get the result you'd expect. Managed to stumble over the line in 2nd, way behind liverpool. This was despite team/squad getting stronger on paper every season.
This season started with 4 wins 4 losses in PL. Including home defeats to Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. Away defeat to City. I then nearly lost at home to Brighton, but they missed last minute 1 on 1. Not sure what was happening, key highlights were more sparse and a lot of our goals were now coming from Fofana heading in corners. I signed Donaruma, Livermento and Moriba in the summer to add to our quality and we were seemingly goign backwards. I was suddenly 9th in league, -E end of october month summary, listed as very insecure.
So after googling for new tactics, found this forum and decided to go with your Blue RPM tactic. Downloaded to my pc demo fm22 and manually copied all instructions into my xbox save.
Since then I have won 11 on the bounce, socring over 30 goals and only conceding 5.. Up to 2nd and closing in on the ever dominant liverpool side (led by mbappe, haaland and salah).
Key highlights are noticeably better to watch. Carving sides open, scoring range of goals.opponents xg rarely over 0.5!
Also, appreciate the attribute table. Real eye opener around pace, so I've structured my team accordinglym and focusing on raising that in training. Thought the whole pace thing was more applicable to games like Fifa...
Anecdotal I know, but playing same formation - 4231, I seemed much more effective a couple of seasons back compared to the run up to changing to your formation, creating better chances with players who were rated lesser on paper opverall, but were lightening fast - thinking of wingers I let go after bringing in better players, but were more technical wingers rather than the previous more direct, flying wingers. For example, Sinisterra, Kluivert etc were very effective, but sold them after Foden joined, thinking his class would take me to the next level... Now playing with some top young regens and some other quick fringe players (1 is 20 yr old italian, 17 pace/accelation left wing/mid wonderkid, was 2.5 or 3 star at beginning of season,something like 5th best left mid, now 4 star worth 106 mill, rated by assistant as best left mid, better than foden, harvey elliott, cheuweze etc. In your new tactic he is something like 7.5 rating, 10 apps, 7 goals and similar assists)! a. I also rotate almost whole starting 11 each game - use 2nd 11 for cup games, my very easy CL group and easy ion paper PL games. Working well.Exciting time a the Toon...
Anyway, went on longer than expected. Thanks for saving my job mate, happy to provide further (more concise) updates down the line Expand
Great journey there, hope you keep winning! Remember that even with 3 or 4 days between matches, you can still repeat the team if you put your players to rest from training after the match. However, it's good to rotate to avoid fatigue.
Twenty five matches, everything running well. Maybe too well in the Carabao Cup, which I usually prefer being kicked out early because it doesn't pay well and is just useful for clogging my schedule.
Mark said: So my work here is now complete. There were some issues. There were 2 of the managers that didn't work because I hadn't taken control of them, That left us with 7 sides we have control of. One of course was Man City whose Manager was sacked every test as they couldn't compete against the ZaZ Blue tactics.
The methodology was to take the best rated XI for each ratings and compare the average ratings for each side. I ran 5 tests and then dropped any player that had less than 50 games over the 5 runs or 190 games. I only selected players rated best from the 7 teams we were working with who all used ZaZ Blue DM tactics.
So they were playing the same role for the majority of the time and played substantial games in the role.
I have to say the results very much favor the Chinese machine learning research we were all interested in.
I tested 6 ratings files plus the default Genie Scout rating file. The main ratings files were ZaZ, my MDW, ykykyk the one based on the Chinese machine learning research, and 3 variants of that proposed by @ZaZ.
I used either end of season team of the year for the squad or the highest positional rating to determine the position for each player. Players with less than 50 games of the 5 tests were excluded. Only players in the 7 controlled teams were included, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, Spurs.
First we have the control test which is the default Genie Scout ratings. Here is their side:
So of the main 3 ratings files, MDW, ykykyk and ZaZ here are the results:
And here are the 3 test tactics from ZaZ using the Chinese machine learning technology.
The Analysis from our Chinese friends has been very impressive, Expand
Thank you for the results! I'm a researcher from the field of optimization, which is closely related to machine learning, so I have no doubts their experiment holds lots of value. I'll try to boost the goalkeeper scores of my best version and add to my tactic page, as well as linking here so they can also see your filters. Looking forward for your next improvements or any suggestions.
P.S.: Just to be clear, Y50 is the one that subtracts 25 from all under 50 using chinese as base, right?
Twenty matches update. Nothing really special other than losing points against the last place in league. Other than that, the board agreed with me to upgrade youth facilities again. It costed 775k.
P.S.: The "Rst" symbol in my players mean they are being rested after the match, not that they have fatigue.
Kuzano said: First,thank you for creating this tactic..getting straight promotion for Sunderland in 3 seasons back to the PL
But when the first season in PL, i kinda notice that the backline is leaky especially at Away/Big Game..its kinda given because of the quality difference with Championship. I'm working at buying better player but do you have any suggestion for changes in Away games like changing the mentality to Cautious or different TI or PI?
Thank you again and sorry if my english is bad Expand
The gap between PL and Championship is brutal, too much money difference. Your goal should be to survive a whole season to build a better squad, which should be doable with this tactic. If you want better defense for away games, I would recommend you try Positive Tiki Taka, since it's the tactic with best defense (in FM-Arena table) and score above 5.0.
I didn't test the ratings in a normal game yet. If I was to choose one of the three I posted, I would go for the one with chinese base where all ratings under 50 get -25. However, they probably need to be adjusted to show goalkeepers with similar scores. Anyway, I would trust more Mark ratings, since he is more of a reference in that than me.
Petrades said: Oke, but than the ratings are saying my slow player is better in AMC than the faster player. Would you choose for the slower player? If you look at the shadow striker rating, than it is saying to choose the faster player. Expand
I would never get that SS with 7 acceleration and pace. Lower league is full of those low speed players, which is why it's so easy to win there.
Wigo said: you ask me why am i expecting assist from roaming PLAYMAKER? anyway... ok you guys prove me wrong on that position... zaz is right, if whole team performs better then its ok! Expand
I'm not saying there isn't a combination of positions and roles where RPM does well and the tactic does better, it's just that people didn't find anything like that yet for this shape.
Same training from first page of blue. To recover faster, I usually rest tired players from training after matches, one or two days (depending on how tired they are). Last season, for example, I had two matches per week all year long, with only three times with full week to rest.
Thanks! I have around 2.5 mi euros per year of wage budget, which means around 250k per position (for two players). Some players will definitely ask more than that to renew and I will need to let them go (or wait for the end of contract), but I hope I can build some acceptable squad to get promoted.
sure I'll post it here
What he is saying is that you probably downloaded the rating, but didn't make it active. You can have several ratings in your folder, but only one is active at a time.
@ZaZ guessing you shouldn't blindly follow it?
I would always check the player before buying, no matter the filter you are using.
About facilities, I have upgraded youth recruitment and junior coach yet again, as well as youth and training facilities. Finances are good and I should get some good participation money by the end of season. If I'm lucky enough, I can get perfect youth setup before reaching premier league.
P.S.: Almost forgot to say, but they bought my defender by release clause and gave me back on loan to the end of season. Nothing I could do there, I usually remove release clauses from contract, but sometimes players force them and you just need to accept.
José Huanca rating = 73.1
Dennis = 69.65
Junior Arias = 71.18
As you can see Jose is the highest by a fair bit and looks the worst out of the 3.
I assume you are using the balanced version from Mark, since it shows target striker. I agree with you that first player should be scored lower than second, but he probably has a higher concentration of attributes in the most important values.
I'm playing fm22 on xbox X. Season 27/28 with toon. ME 22.3.
Was using atactic from sigames forum, Paris 4231, which was doing reasonably with my strong PL Newcastle team. Some reason last season started getting more frequent hammerings away from home. 5 nil to Roma in CL knockout stages, 5 nil to Liverpool, 4 nil to Chelsea. COupled in with crap losses at home/away to very average PL sides. Was clocking maybe from season before that that I always seemed to lose away to big sides - and get hammered too often as well for some reason, despite having team full of good, leading and world class players. Was getting better results with so called less players previously (won only title 2 or 3 years back with same 4231 paris tactic). Also seemed increase in losses to random teams, dropping points at home etc Suddenly was starting to lose faith in what kind of performance my previously dominant team would turn out. Yes we'd lose odd game to average/lower pl sides away and top teams, but generally we'd get the result you'd expect. Managed to stumble over the line in 2nd, way behind liverpool. This was despite team/squad getting stronger on paper every season.
This season started with 4 wins 4 losses in PL. Including home defeats to Liverpool, Arsenal and Chelsea. Away defeat to City. I then nearly lost at home to Brighton, but they missed last minute 1 on 1. Not sure what was happening, key highlights were more sparse and a lot of our goals were now coming from Fofana heading in corners. I signed Donaruma, Livermento and Moriba in the summer to add to our quality and we were seemingly goign backwards. I was suddenly 9th in league, -E end of october month summary, listed as very insecure.
So after googling for new tactics, found this forum and decided to go with your Blue RPM tactic. Downloaded to my pc demo fm22 and manually copied all instructions into my xbox save.
Since then I have won 11 on the bounce, socring over 30 goals and only conceding 5.. Up to 2nd and closing in on the ever dominant liverpool side (led by mbappe, haaland and salah).
Key highlights are noticeably better to watch. Carving sides open, scoring range of goals.opponents xg rarely over 0.5!
Also, appreciate the attribute table. Real eye opener around pace, so I've structured my team accordinglym and focusing on raising that in training. Thought the whole pace thing was more applicable to games like Fifa...
Anecdotal I know, but playing same formation - 4231, I seemed much more effective a couple of seasons back compared to the run up to changing to your formation, creating better chances with players who were rated lesser on paper opverall, but were lightening fast - thinking of wingers I let go after bringing in better players, but were more technical wingers rather than the previous more direct, flying wingers. For example, Sinisterra, Kluivert etc were very effective, but sold them after Foden joined, thinking his class would take me to the next level... Now playing with some top young regens and some other quick fringe players (1 is 20 yr old italian, 17 pace/accelation left wing/mid wonderkid, was 2.5 or 3 star at beginning of season,something like 5th best left mid, now 4 star worth 106 mill, rated by assistant as best left mid, better than foden, harvey elliott, cheuweze etc. In your new tactic he is something like 7.5 rating, 10 apps, 7 goals and similar assists)! a. I also rotate almost whole starting 11 each game - use 2nd 11 for cup games, my very easy CL group and easy ion paper PL games. Working well.Exciting time a the Toon...
Anyway, went on longer than expected. Thanks for saving my job mate, happy to provide further (more concise) updates down the line
Great journey there, hope you keep winning! Remember that even with 3 or 4 days between matches, you can still repeat the team if you put your players to rest from training after the match. However, it's good to rotate to avoid fatigue.
There!
From my options, the best is this. However, Mark will probably update his filter and get something even better soon.
The methodology was to take the best rated XI for each ratings and compare the average ratings for each side. I ran 5 tests and then dropped any player that had less than 50 games over the 5 runs or 190 games. I only selected players rated best from the 7 teams we were working with who all used ZaZ Blue DM tactics.
So they were playing the same role for the majority of the time and played substantial games in the role.
I have to say the results very much favor the Chinese machine learning research we were all interested in.
I tested 6 ratings files plus the default Genie Scout rating file. The main ratings files were ZaZ, my MDW, ykykyk the one based on the Chinese machine learning research, and 3 variants of that proposed by @ZaZ.
I used either end of season team of the year for the squad or the highest positional rating to determine the position for each player. Players with less than 50 games of the 5 tests were excluded. Only players in the 7 controlled teams were included, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, Spurs.
First we have the control test which is the default Genie Scout ratings. Here is their side:
So of the main 3 ratings files, MDW, ykykyk and ZaZ here are the results:
And here are the 3 test tactics from ZaZ using the Chinese machine learning technology.
The Analysis from our Chinese friends has been very impressive,
Thank you for the results! I'm a researcher from the field of optimization, which is closely related to machine learning, so I have no doubts their experiment holds lots of value. I'll try to boost the goalkeeper scores of my best version and add to my tactic page, as well as linking here so they can also see your filters. Looking forward for your next improvements or any suggestions.
P.S.: Just to be clear, Y50 is the one that subtracts 25 from all under 50 using chinese as base, right?
we won the fa cup and the CL final
lol even my GK made 3 assists
New GK exploit!
Gratz for the season and thanks for testing!
P.S.: The "Rst" symbol in my players mean they are being rested after the match, not that they have fatigue.
But when the first season in PL, i kinda notice that the backline is leaky especially at Away/Big Game..its kinda given because of the quality difference with Championship. I'm working at buying better player but do you have any suggestion for changes in Away games like changing the mentality to Cautious or different TI or PI?
Thank you again and sorry if my english is bad
The gap between PL and Championship is brutal, too much money difference. Your goal should be to survive a whole season to build a better squad, which should be doable with this tactic. If you want better defense for away games, I would recommend you try Positive Tiki Taka, since it's the tactic with best defense (in FM-Arena table) and score above 5.0.
I didn't test the ratings in a normal game yet. If I was to choose one of the three I posted, I would go for the one with chinese base where all ratings under 50 get -25. However, they probably need to be adjusted to show goalkeepers with similar scores. Anyway, I would trust more Mark ratings, since he is more of a reference in that than me.
I would never get that SS with 7 acceleration and pace. Lower league is full of those low speed players, which is why it's so easy to win there.
Gratz! Good job there!
I'm not saying there isn't a combination of positions and roles where RPM does well and the tactic does better, it's just that people didn't find anything like that yet for this shape.