drhay53 said: Did you do testing to determine that out-swinging corners are better?
I've also noticed that the "lurk outside area" player on attacking corners picks up a ton of yellow cards due to fouls on corner counter-attacks. I usually switch it up so the DM is lurking, just to get a player with better defensive attributes into that role. Expand
It's not viable to test all variations of set pieces since they often have very little impact in results. What I did was comparing set pieces of different tactics to find out which was better in each type of set pieces. Then, I assembled those components into a single tactic. You can see the discussion about that in this topic here: https://fm-arena.com/thread/967-set-pieces/
Machismo said: I can't prove it but the teams positivity/enthusiasm drops in-game when the lads from the Team Leaders group are dropped from the match. No team leader seems to result in a poor performance e.g. a boring draw where one would expect the boys to give the other team a damn good thrashing.
And while talking about leaders how can I improve leadership trait in a player? Expand
There is an option to send a player to a leadership course.
drhay53 said: What do you think is the quality where one should transition between red and blue? In particular to improve chances in the champions league. Expand
Red does better in those tests that have CA 140 team and CA 165, for the weaker team. However, I played Blue with great success from the lowest leagues to the top.
Elpitcho said: I understand what you mean but there is no sign of this i swear, everybody is happy and motivated, they react very well to my talks, i don't give them any opportunity to complain but don't know why... might be kind of a sufficiency feeling about the tactic. Is the tactic supposed to work indefinitely I mean in long term without any tweak season after season ? Expand
Despite what some people might say, all tactics in FM21 work indefinitely. There is no artificial intelligence to adapt to your style, the only mechanisms to avoid complete dominance are physical and psycological factors, like fatigue and complacency. What happens is that some people get used to thirty or fourty matches without losses, then they can't understand when they get five losses in a row, even if it goes back to sixty matches undefeated after that.
I have a theory that those lose streaks can also happen when a high number of players fall into "not consistent" matches. There is a hidden attribute called Consistency that basically defines the probability of a player to play with full attributes, else he plays with reduced attributes. If one or two players get inconsistent during a match, it's hard to notice, but if it happens with five or more players at once, you start seeing mistakes everywhere.
Unfortunatelly, two bad matches are enough to lower the morale and spiral out of control. From FM-Arena tests, morale is one of the most important attributes for team performance.
What I mean here is that it's fine to get a bad sequence of matches, that doesn't mean the tactic stopped working. It just means you need to fix morale, physical condition, psychologic factors and be patient with the randomness of consistency. If it goes badly with a good tactic, it would be even worse with a less effective one.
Keshk said: Which one should i choose to safe the players from injures and at the same time to let them reach their Potential attribute ? and i have an question, Why the player above 25yrs doesn't reach his potential?! although Training facilities (maximum) ? is there anyway to let all ages reach the maximum of potential ? expect old player above 30yrs Expand
I use double during pre-season and normal during playing season, but you might also benefit from double during weeks with just one match. (P.S.: I usually leave it on automatic so I can change the entire team at once.)
About potential, just like real life, players have higher growth at certain ages and start declining physically after certain ages. For example, a player with 30 years old will hardly improve much while a kid with 17 years old will most likely gain +1 to +3 in each attribute during a season.
Not sure if it's me, but I thought FM2012 was the best one in comparison to the previous editions. If I remember well, the graphics from match engine were way more pleasant than the graphics from now, despite movements being more stiff since it was an older game. However, I don't play any of the old ones because I think the newer games are better overall.
drhay53 said: Again it's a lot of effort to manage your rotation and you'll need a deep, gelled squad to keep your results up. I don't particularly think it's realistic to have to rotate quite this much, but it has a huge impact on injuries so I can't pull myself away from it. Expand
I checked here if any team managed to win a big league while rotating the entire team, and found out it happened in Brazil in 2018, with Palmeiras.
Gpassosbh said: Hello @ZaZ , I'll use ZaZ Blue 3.0 as my primary tactic. Which other 2 tactic you recomend to fill all the 3 tactic space? Maybe one more defensive, and another more attacking. Can you tell me? Expand
When you want to maximize your chance to win: Blue 3.0 When you want to sacrifice offense to concede less: Blue 3.0 with cautious mentality When you want to sacrifice defense to score more: Blue 3.0 with very attacking mentality
For those three, you just need to train Blue 3.0, any tactic with cautious mentality and any tactic with very attacking mentality. I'd recommend Light Blue 3.0, which can also be used when you have a good lead and want to rest a bit and get less yellow cards, and Dark Blue 3.0.
If you want different tactics, then I would recommend Copper and Void, but I believe cautious Blue is as good as Copper in defense and very attacking Blue is as good in offense as Void. However, this was not tested here yet, it's just my feeling based on personal tests.
I've had great success playing this tactic (ZaZ - Blue 3.0), but with one striker. It might not be as effective as the original, but it will definitely still overachieve. Sometimes it's annoying having a top striker in your team, but he can't play the AMC position, or will take a long time to train it.
Only change one of the AMC's into central striker position, and the CM to the other side of the remaining AMC like in the photo. Important to do so. Advanced forward is the best role. It can be the other way around, I change it depending on the foot of my players. A right-footed AMC is better on the right, and left-footed AMC on the left. The ideal in my photo would be right-footed AMC and left-footed LCM.
I use wingers on support, but with press more in the individual instructions. I've done it on all positions. Also you should slightly change the set-pieces to fit the new formation.
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I believe there is a similar tactic called Comet, but you can always post that tweak to get it tested and see how it performs. I've been testing some things lately but didn't have much success in finding any improvement.
Elpitcho said: Hi guys ! I am playing with Leeds, finished 3rd first season and about to finish 2nd this time. I know these are good results but I was wondering why my players are always struggling at the end of the season... I was 1st the from GW5 to 30 and now I am struggling a lot even against weak teams.
I pay a lot of attention to their fatigue, injuries. The atmosphere is good, the team spirit as well... I mean everything looks fine but don't know why I am struggling... Expand
By the end of a season, the two main factors for a team to perform badly are fatigue (which is different from condition, you can see it at medical centre) and psychology. Players from small teams usually get nervous when they are overachieving, so you need to relieve their pressure before the matches. On the other hand, teams usually get complacent against weaker opponents, so you need to challenge them when they get complacent. In other words, you need to check the players body language and understand if they are cracking under pressure or getting complacent, then give the right pep talk to get them back in shape.
first your tactic is unbelievabel and i have wonderful results. Just a question i am the new manager of Lyon and i have the opportunity to bring back Benzema to the club but he wants to play as a deep lying striker.
Do you think it will be a big chance to use him as his best role ?
Thanks in advance for your answer Expand
If you want to use real strikers, there is a tactic called Fanatic, from @Maverick, which has the best results. However, there is no top tactic using the role deep lying foward.
If I were in your place and a player only wanted to sign if I promise to play him in his best role, I would just lie and play him in another position. Maybe he would be angry in the first few months, but after a while he drops his concern, specially if he is happy with other things like victories, playing time or club atmosphere.
Mishkat said: Hi just wanted to know who should take corners? If its mentioned above then extremely sorry about that. Expand
Just leave it empty so it goes to best taker.
Maxeneize said: After several season I arrived to Aalborg. They did not have quality strikers so I decided to go back to using zaz. Their media prediction was 4th and we dominated the league. We also had a good run in the EL, where we were unlucky against OM, as in both games we had a player sent off very early. My best player has a ca of 140, but most of them are around 120, so we did cause some mayor upsets with this tactic Expand
Nice job! Remember to evaluate your squad by the end of each season and keep an eye on those players that get sent off too often. That might mean they have high Dirtness hidden attribute, which could make them unreliable.
just me said: thanks mate. i am also doing rotation, so i have 2 best 11. btw would it be fair to say that the DR and DL are important players for this tactic? last year my DR made 17 assists in the league. Expand
Not only important in attack, but they are also the last line of defense in attacking set pieces, so having fast wingbacks is really important to prevent counter-attacks.
bula1899 said: Im not sure that zaz blue is the best tactic in FM21, but im sure that in my journey with FM 21 im going to always use this tactic, what a results! in my career i trained Bursaspor, in the mid 3th season(2th team in Turkey in this moment) i stopped use tactic from Knap and change tactic to zaz blue. 4th season i won CL (problem was that my 2th teams has a lot of injuriersand lost 2 goals in final, but not was a huge problem. better example was semifinal with Real, 4:0 and 3:0 for me)
but the best example are my results with OM, always win, without concede goals, easy 4:0 with PSG(22-2-1 After loss with me).
Thanks, really recommended read this comments in this thread like the most important attributes, strategy for change mentality etc. Expand
Cazador said: @ZaZ : Do IWBs need to have different side strong foot than the side they are playing on? Eg: Right IWB needs to be stronger on the Left foot? Expand
It's not important. Your assistant manager will give them less stars if they have same foot as side, but his opinion doesn't have any effect and you can safely ignore it.
Strong foot is needed to either cross (same side) or shoot (inverted), but IWB doesn't do any of those. In the end, it just makes it easier to pass the ball to flanks or center, but since the tactic is balanced to either direction, it doesn't make much difference at all.
I've also noticed that the "lurk outside area" player on attacking corners picks up a ton of yellow cards due to fouls on corner counter-attacks. I usually switch it up so the DM is lurking, just to get a player with better defensive attributes into that role.
It's not viable to test all variations of set pieces since they often have very little impact in results. What I did was comparing set pieces of different tactics to find out which was better in each type of set pieces. Then, I assembled those components into a single tactic. You can see the discussion about that in this topic here: https://fm-arena.com/thread/967-set-pieces/
Just sort the table by goals scored.
https://fm-arena.com/table/11-patch-21-4-0/?order=gf#options
And while talking about leaders how can I improve leadership trait in a player?
There is an option to send a player to a leadership course.
Red does better in those tests that have CA 140 team and CA 165, for the weaker team. However, I played Blue with great success from the lowest leagues to the top.
Despite what some people might say, all tactics in FM21 work indefinitely. There is no artificial intelligence to adapt to your style, the only mechanisms to avoid complete dominance are physical and psycological factors, like fatigue and complacency. What happens is that some people get used to thirty or fourty matches without losses, then they can't understand when they get five losses in a row, even if it goes back to sixty matches undefeated after that.
I have a theory that those lose streaks can also happen when a high number of players fall into "not consistent" matches. There is a hidden attribute called Consistency that basically defines the probability of a player to play with full attributes, else he plays with reduced attributes. If one or two players get inconsistent during a match, it's hard to notice, but if it happens with five or more players at once, you start seeing mistakes everywhere.
Unfortunatelly, two bad matches are enough to lower the morale and spiral out of control. From FM-Arena tests, morale is one of the most important attributes for team performance.
What I mean here is that it's fine to get a bad sequence of matches, that doesn't mean the tactic stopped working. It just means you need to fix morale, physical condition, psychologic factors and be patient with the randomness of consistency. If it goes badly with a good tactic, it would be even worse with a less effective one.
and i have an question, Why the player above 25yrs doesn't reach his potential?! although Training facilities (maximum) ?
is there anyway to let all ages reach the maximum of potential ? expect old player above 30yrs
I use double during pre-season and normal during playing season, but you might also benefit from double during weeks with just one match. (P.S.: I usually leave it on automatic so I can change the entire team at once.)
About potential, just like real life, players have higher growth at certain ages and start declining physically after certain ages. For example, a player with 30 years old will hardly improve much while a kid with 17 years old will most likely gain +1 to +3 in each attribute during a season.
I checked here if any team managed to win a big league while rotating the entire team, and found out it happened in Brazil in 2018, with Palmeiras.
Let him play as shadow striker and see the real beast.
When you want to maximize your chance to win: Blue 3.0
When you want to sacrifice offense to concede less: Blue 3.0 with cautious mentality
When you want to sacrifice defense to score more: Blue 3.0 with very attacking mentality
For those three, you just need to train Blue 3.0, any tactic with cautious mentality and any tactic with very attacking mentality. I'd recommend Light Blue 3.0, which can also be used when you have a good lead and want to rest a bit and get less yellow cards, and Dark Blue 3.0.
If you want different tactics, then I would recommend Copper and Void, but I believe cautious Blue is as good as Copper in defense and very attacking Blue is as good in offense as Void. However, this was not tested here yet, it's just my feeling based on personal tests.
TurtleKing said: Hi
I've had great success playing this tactic (ZaZ - Blue 3.0), but with one striker. It might not be as effective as the original, but it will definitely still overachieve. Sometimes it's annoying having a top striker in your team, but he can't play the AMC position, or will take a long time to train it.
Only change one of the AMC's into central striker position, and the CM to the other side of the remaining AMC like in the photo. Important to do so. Advanced forward is the best role. It can be the other way around, I change it depending on the foot of my players. A right-footed AMC is better on the right, and left-footed AMC on the left. The ideal in my photo would be right-footed AMC and left-footed LCM.
I use wingers on support, but with press more in the individual instructions. I've done it on all positions. Also you should slightly change the set-pieces to fit the new formation.
I believe there is a similar tactic called Comet, but you can always post that tweak to get it tested and see how it performs. I've been testing some things lately but didn't have much success in finding any improvement.
I pay a lot of attention to their fatigue, injuries. The atmosphere is good, the team spirit as well... I mean everything looks fine but don't know why I am struggling...
By the end of a season, the two main factors for a team to perform badly are fatigue (which is different from condition, you can see it at medical centre) and psychology. Players from small teams usually get nervous when they are overachieving, so you need to relieve their pressure before the matches. On the other hand, teams usually get complacent against weaker opponents, so you need to challenge them when they get complacent. In other words, you need to check the players body language and understand if they are cracking under pressure or getting complacent, then give the right pep talk to get them back in shape.
first your tactic is unbelievabel and i have wonderful results. Just a question i am the new manager of Lyon and i have the opportunity to bring back Benzema to the club but he wants to play as a deep lying striker.
Do you think it will be a big chance to use him as his best role ?
Thanks in advance for your answer
If you want to use real strikers, there is a tactic called Fanatic, from @Maverick, which has the best results. However, there is no top tactic using the role deep lying foward.
If I were in your place and a player only wanted to sign if I promise to play him in his best role, I would just lie and play him in another position. Maybe he would be angry in the first few months, but after a while he drops his concern, specially if he is happy with other things like victories, playing time or club atmosphere.
Just leave it empty so it goes to best taker.
Maxeneize said: After several season I arrived to Aalborg. They did not have quality strikers so I decided to go back to using zaz. Their media prediction was 4th and we dominated the league. We also had a good run in the EL, where we were unlucky against OM, as in both games we had a player sent off very early. My best player has a ca of 140, but most of them are around 120, so we did cause some mayor upsets with this tactic
Nice job! Remember to evaluate your squad by the end of each season and keep an eye on those players that get sent off too often. That might mean they have high Dirtness hidden attribute, which could make them unreliable.
Not much, but they tested here before and got the result that same foot as side is better than inverted foot, for both defenders and strikers.
Not only important in attack, but they are also the last line of defense in attacking set pieces, so having fast wingbacks is really important to prevent counter-attacks.
That's some good management there to not let players go complacent or anxious. Good job!
in my career i trained Bursaspor, in the mid 3th season(2th team in Turkey in this moment) i stopped use tactic from Knap and change tactic to zaz blue.
4th season i won CL
(problem was that my 2th teams has a lot of injuriersand lost 2 goals in final, but not was a huge problem. better example was semifinal with Real, 4:0 and 3:0 for me)
but the best example are my results with OM, always win, without concede goals, easy 4:0 with PSG(22-2-1 After loss with me).
Thanks, really recommended read this comments in this thread like the most important attributes, strategy for change mentality etc.
Those are some nice results, good job there!
You need to create a topic for that in the forum, in the tactics sharing section.
It's not important. Your assistant manager will give them less stars if they have same foot as side, but his opinion doesn't have any effect and you can safely ignore it.
Strong foot is needed to either cross (same side) or shoot (inverted), but IWB doesn't do any of those. In the end, it just makes it easier to pass the ball to flanks or center, but since the tactic is balanced to either direction, it doesn't make much difference at all.