Kamas1 said: Ok I agree with that but we are talking about a player who has CA 95 and plays in the second bundelliga. So I think it should be developed to some extent Expand
Maybe Yes and maybe No... I don't think there's been many tests on the development in lower leagues.
But I know 100% that the reputation of the league where a player plays has a significant impact on his development.
It could be that for the reputation of your league a player with 95CA and 135PA won't develop any further and to develop further he needs to play in a higher reputation league.
Kamas1 said: Why do some players not develop at all? for example, I have a 21 year old defense (95 CA). He plays every game, his morale is high, he trains well, but he hasn't improved a single point all season. What it comes from? I will add that I run a team in the 2 bundesliga Expand
I think the level of your league also matters, I mean you play in a lower division and that might be the reason of the low development.
I guess the reputation of the league matters for the development.
How often in real life we see that someone like Messi can reach his full potential playing in a lower division.
I believe when players play in high reputation leagues they develop faster.
The guy who did that ( he mentioned that ) was inspired by fm-arena attribute testing that was done for the first time back in 2021 - https://fm-arena.com/table/9-attribute-testing/ so actually there's nothing new in what we've been discussing here because it was already brought to light few years ago by fm-arena.
Kamas1 said: So what, for example search only players with pace and acc like 17 and more? regardless of other attributes? Expand
If in your league an average player has 10-11 for Acceleration and Pace then you need to look for players with 13-14 Acceleration and Pace to be the "king".
But if you play in EPL then there's a lot top club have players with 15-16 Acceleration and Pace so in EPL to the king you need 17-18 Acceleration and Pace players.
Also, Acceleration and Pace levels are different for every line, I mean there's almost no Central Midfielders with Acceleration and Pace higher than 13-15 so for the central midfielder line having 13-15 Acceleration and Pace is already good enough when for the wingers line 13-15 Acceleration and Pace aren't great numbers.
stefanopt said: What about lower level clubs with players like that? Expand
Take any league and you'll see it follows that patter.
I mean, in any league the clubs that are predicted to finish at the top of the table tend to have faster players than the clubs that are predicted to finish at the middle or bottom of the table.
stefanopt said: Following this, is there any team that matches the criteria for being a really good team under these assumptions? Expand
Any top club like PSG, Man City, Liverpool and so on.. they all have extremely fast players in any line and that's what ensures their domination in the game.
Yarema said: Surely there are traits that aren't available as PI. Like shooting traits (shoots with power, places shots, lobs keeper...), passing traits (dictates tempo, switches ball to the flank), dribbling traits (knocks the ball past his opponent) and probably various others Expand
Yes, you're right there's a few Traits that looks unique and I guess only them are worth looking at.
kvasir said: Wouldn't a striker with "Moves into spaces" perform better than a striker without such a trait in a tactic that uses "Pass into space", assuming that they have exactly the same stats? I always try to train my strikers into having "Moves into spaces", "Likes to try to beat offside trap" and "Knocks ball past opponent" - I feel like they really complement a fast striker. Expand
If you think with "Moves Into Channels" your striker should do better then why wouldn't you just add "Moves Into Channels" PI to him. There's no point in training it as a "Trait" because it locks this PI on him forever.
Cherknam said: Hey, do you have any tips for getting players to unlearn traits.
I have a young striker with “comes deep to get ball” which I can’t get him to unlearn.
Do you know if there are any specific coaching attributes that will make it more likely? Such as, ‘working with youngsters’, ‘mental’ and ‘attacking’. Expand
I don't think there's attributes that can help to unlearn it faster. I guess you just to keep trying.
I'd say Training isn't the key element that determines the growth rate of your players.
Training affects many other important things:
- Improves the "Team Cohesion" and the higher "Team Cohesion", the better your team plays. - Keeps your player happy which improves their "Morale" and helps winning matches. - Prevents the "Matches Sharpness" of your player to drop drastically between matches. - Manages the "Conditions" level of your players. Hard Training can kill the "Conditions" of your players. - Determines which attributes your player are gonna develop.
WestDoorBlowJ said: From my experience, those highest scoring tactics from here (FM arena) usually don't work consistently for weaker teams like Bournemouth or Nottm Forest. Expand
When I see someone says a word "work" regarding tactics in FM then it's a sign that the person has a low understanding about FM.
To properly test different tactics a team must have "Natural" players for every position and these players must have the same attributes, which never possible when you test with real teams, they are always better built for some tactics than other tactics.
vitoco said: With man city, liverpool, these types of strong teams, honestly i do expect the results with conceding less than 10-20 goals per season, and without any losses at all Expand
Ok, then teach us how to play FM.
Post your tactics when you play with Man City and Liverpool and don't have any losses at all.
But don't forget to back it up with game saves so we could check them and make sure that don't scam save/load or editors.
And until that I suggest you to stop making stupid comments like that.
02Kyrand said: Will this corner routine have the same effect if I swap roles between DCR (Which seems to be primary goalscorer from corners) and STRIKER?
Or will the routine then fail? Expand
If your striker as good as your central defender in the air then it'll work the same
it's just a new tactic testing league - https://fm-arena.com/thread/5321-incoming-improvement-to-fm-arena-tactic-testing-league/
Maybe Yes and maybe No... I don't think there's been many tests on the development in lower leagues.
But I know 100% that the reputation of the league where a player plays has a significant impact on his development.
It could be that for the reputation of your league a player with 95CA and 135PA won't develop any further and to develop further he needs to play in a higher reputation league.
I think the level of your league also matters, I mean you play in a lower division and that might be the reason of the low development.
I guess the reputation of the league matters for the development.
How often in real life we see that someone like Messi can reach his full potential playing in a lower division.
I believe when players play in high reputation leagues they develop faster.
Gracolas said: wow.. speachless
To ad some context.
The guy who did that ( he mentioned that ) was inspired by fm-arena attribute testing that was done for the first time back in 2021 - https://fm-arena.com/table/9-attribute-testing/ so actually there's nothing new in what we've been discussing here because it was already brought to light few years ago by fm-arena.
If in your league an average player has 10-11 for Acceleration and Pace then you need to look for players with 13-14 Acceleration and Pace to be the "king".
But if you play in EPL then there's a lot top club have players with 15-16 Acceleration and Pace so in EPL to the king you need 17-18 Acceleration and Pace players.
Also, Acceleration and Pace levels are different for every line, I mean there's almost no Central Midfielders with Acceleration and Pace higher than 13-15 so for the central midfielder line having 13-15 Acceleration and Pace is already good enough when for the wingers line 13-15 Acceleration and Pace aren't great numbers.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/5321-incoming-improvement-to-fm-arena-tactic-testing-league/
Take any league and you'll see it follows that patter.
I mean, in any league the clubs that are predicted to finish at the top of the table tend to have faster players than the clubs that are predicted to finish at the middle or bottom of the table.
Any top club like PSG, Man City, Liverpool and so on.. they all have extremely fast players in any line and that's what ensures their domination in the game.
Yes, you're right there's a few Traits that looks unique and I guess only them are worth looking at.
If you think with "Moves Into Channels" your striker should do better then why wouldn't you just add "Moves Into Channels" PI to him. There's no point in training it as a "Trait" because it locks this PI on him forever.
Cherknam said: Hey, do you have any tips for getting players to unlearn traits.
I have a young striker with “comes deep to get ball” which I can’t get him to unlearn.
Do you know if there are any specific coaching attributes that will make it more likely? Such as, ‘working with youngsters’, ‘mental’ and ‘attacking’.
I don't think there's attributes that can help to unlearn it faster. I guess you just to keep trying.
Nope, both use DMs
Why would you want to limit yourself and remove an ability to change the behavior of your players through out the tactical settings?
It isn't irrelevant that 5 teams use the same tactic because they don't play against each other.
Training affects many other important things:
- Improves the "Team Cohesion" and the higher "Team Cohesion", the better your team plays.
- Keeps your player happy which improves their "Morale" and helps winning matches.
- Prevents the "Matches Sharpness" of your player to drop drastically between matches.
- Manages the "Conditions" level of your players. Hard Training can kill the "Conditions" of your players.
- Determines which attributes your player are gonna develop.
But if we're talking about the development rate of the players then there are other things that have higher impact on it - https://fm-arena.com/thread/2671-player-development-and-training/
Also, if you remove injuries, bans, transfers, rotation and many other RNG factors then still the RNG is about 25 points on 38 matches distance - https://fm-arena.com/thread/2713-10-944-matches-tested-fm-rng-measured/ so 38 matches test is like a drop in ocean.
When I see someone says a word "work" regarding tactics in FM then it's a sign that the person has a low understanding about FM.
To properly test different tactics a team must have "Natural" players for every position and these players must have the same attributes, which never possible when you test with real teams, they are always better built for some tactics than other tactics.
I suggest you to look at this - https://fm-arena.com/thread/3293-what-it-takes-to-dominate-epl-with-bournemouth/
Ok, then teach us how to play FM.
Post your tactics when you play with Man City and Liverpool and don't have any losses at all.
But don't forget to back it up with game saves so we could check them and make sure that don't scam save/load or editors.
And until that I suggest you to stop making stupid comments like that.
Or will the routine then fail?
If your striker as good as your central defender in the air then it'll work the same