Target Person said: Interesting tweak with my beloved Target Forward role though it's the AF who really shines here . Zaz has nailed a very promising 4213 shape though the double attacking volante kinda makes me nervous Expand
Very Attacking Blue is showing lots of promise, I will be uploading it later today or tomorrow.
Mark said: I am going to run with testing 3 tactic formations, being ZaZ Orange 4-3-1-2, Dragons Breath 4-1-3-1 and Blitz 4-2-2W-2. These seem to be the basis for most of the tactics scoring 5.5 plus this season. I will take and adapt the set pieces from 10 tactics to test with each formation as follows: FM20 TFF Cerber, 424 RMD, Arrowhead 2.0, Blitz, Cruels Angel, Electro, Fanecas, Snow Halation V3, Zaz and ZaZ with adapted corners from FM Scout's suggested attacking corner winning tactic (ZaZ MDW). That is 30 tests. If I have time I will then run them 3 times to make 90 tests. They seem to run reasonably quickly in ZaZ test League so I will give results after the first 30 tests and then the next 30 tests and finally at the end. If a set piece routine looks too much like a previously tested one I will disregard it.
So that's the plan. Lets see how it goes. Hopefully I will get through the first run by this time tomorrow. Expand
Thanks! My test league removed all leagues but english based, as well as all professional clubs outside England. That helps the tests running a bit faster (even better if you block first season transfers).
Anyway, I've noticed the defensive corner and defensive indirect free kicks of my tactics could be improved, so I'll be focusing on those two routines for now.
Tejash said: @ZaZ Can we do something to make the tactic more solid at the back? Winning every match by 2-4 goals but wins are sometimes like 3-4, 2-4 so conceding goals is not only frustrating but also sometimes puts your heart in the mouth. Expand
The philosophy of this tactic is to outscore the opponent. You will concede a lot, but should also score a lot, allowing you to win most matches. If you increase defense, you end up losing attack, which would harm performance. Remember that this match engine is very leaky and there is only so much you can do to avoid that. It should hopefully change after next patch, in a couple of weeks.
Filer974 said: Hi ZaZ, first of all congratulations on all your tactics which are on top every year. Unfortunately this year I do not use them because I cannot imagine that a champion takes more than 40 goals in the league or that a normal team takes 100. I know that it is the ME who wants that but could not you can't do a less offensive, more realistic tactic and too bad if you don't have a score of 5.8 or 6. A more realistic, more solid tactic that I could play with please Expand
You can sort the table by fewest goals conceded and pick the one you like. Fanecas and Snow Halation have good score and good defense. You can also use Blue 1.0 if you want.
Jimmy said: Thanks for your answer. Really interested in that because I'm playing with a similar tactic since the release with Brentford with good results so far (with Kvaratskhelia as my DLF-S).
About the instructions, a lot of people are saying that telling to Overlap Left and Overlap Right can make almost any tactic better. Thoughts ? Expand
I don't think it has any effect in a tactic without wingers.
First of all congratulations for your work on FM these last few years, thank you for everything.
Secondly, i'm using your orange SS and i'd like you to talk about how you normally plan your workouts??
Thirdly, in case of expulsion, who do you withdraw?
Thank you and keep up the good work. Expand
About training schedules, you can check the ones used last year for Blue. I'll make a better description for the tactic in later patches with all those details.
About players being sent off, I'd remove either the SS or STCR (STCL and STC have a more important role in set pieces).
Jimmy said: I'd be curious to see the results of a version with a DLF on Support in the middle of the 2 AFs (instead of 3 AFs). Same with WBs on At instead of IWB. @ZaZ What do you think about those possible tweaks ? Expand
WB-At seems to have almost the same performance as IWB-At, so it won't be a problem at all. About DLF support, I think it would make the tactic worse, but would need to test to confirm it.
saitjerome said: i got it, i've changed already. Just wanted your opinion on where to play my header striker for open play. BTW Have u ever tried CWB-A instead of IWB-A for fbs Expand
Tried for other formations and it wasn't very good. Can try again for this one to see how it goes.
Kyle said: As long as you're achieving what you should i've never had a problem with team cohesion, i'm sitting on very good team cohesion right now and I do very little training and the training I do isn't set by me, I also only have 1 win in my last 8 games.
From what I see fatigue is an important thing in fm22 and with how gegenpress works this year it seems like resting players especially if there's 2 games in a week would be the best option or would you rather play them slightly more tired? Expand
After every match, you can go to squad page, sort players by condition and select those most tired to give one or two days of rest from training. All you need to do is select them, right click and choose Training > Rest. That way you rest the players that are tired while allowing other players to do normal training.
Adding a new version with two CMs instead of Volantes, and one DLP instead of SS. It is similar to Void from last year and it was suggested to me (and assembled) by @MrGreen. I'm also adding one result from Aston Villa that he provided.
Tejash said: the losses I meant for the chewbaca images Expand
Well, he won the league. You can't compare the top tactics from now, in the 6.0 range (~60% of points won), with the top tactics from last year, in the 7.2 range (~72% points won). The best tactic from FM22 is still in the level of an average tactic from FM21. Things will improve in next patches.
Tejash said: Thank you, but 13 losses for a top tactic is a bit too much Expand
Sorry to hear that, I don't know why it's not working for your Arsenal. It seems to work well for other people and even the assistant manager, so I got no clue what's going on there.
gaohaoqing said: hello.i hava a problem： What do green and orange mean ？ Expand
Colors. They are just identifiers for tactics, so I focus on upgrading those tactics instead of creating new ones. For example, Yellow is my tactic with three defenders (343), while Orange is my tactic with three strikers (433). Blue is supposed to be a balanced tactic (442), while Green was my tactic with advanced wingers. Some of those I will work deeper later, while others will be dropped because of low performance.
Tejash said: I have never played on holiday as I like to micromanage the club always, if I may ask how many matches would you give for the results to show? Its basically plug n play only right just like your earlier tactics?? Expand
Yeah, it is supposed to be plug and play. I also recommend to use fast players instead of slow ones.
Tejash said: Still aint working...10th in the league with Arsenal mid season. Do you use OI's or leave it to AM? Expand
I don't use OI. I don't know why it's not working there. Have you tried going in holiday (marking option to use current tactic) and seeing if assistant manager also does badly?
Kyle said: 3 and 5 you can achieve in pre season. 2 is a negative. 1 yeah I thought that but not always important either. 4 what are the match bonuses and how do I achieve them? Expand
Sane said: @ZaZ How do you think this tactic is better than fanecas? Here are the differences between snow halation v3 tactics and Fanecas
1) IWB-At 2) DW-Su 3) One Pf, one AF 4) Or Positive mentality? Expand
More like a combination, to be honest. Positive with DW makes it more stable in the back while IWB-At makes it better in attack. I am not sure if PF makes much of a difference, so I can't talk about it.
Keep in mind that the difference between those two tactics is negligible and could very much fall under the precision range of these tests (5-7%), with 0.036 points per match. In a season of 38 matches, that would be less than 2 points. To be fair, the difference to Orange is not so big either, we can only assume it's better because the goal difference is clearly superior.
Very Attacking Blue is showing lots of promise, I will be uploading it later today or tomorrow.
So that's the plan. Lets see how it goes. Hopefully I will get through the first run by this time tomorrow.
Thanks! My test league removed all leagues but english based, as well as all professional clubs outside England. That helps the tests running a bit faster (even better if you block first season transfers).
Anyway, I've noticed the defensive corner and defensive indirect free kicks of my tactics could be improved, so I'll be focusing on those two routines for now.
The philosophy of this tactic is to outscore the opponent. You will concede a lot, but should also score a lot, allowing you to win most matches. If you increase defense, you end up losing attack, which would harm performance. Remember that this match engine is very leaky and there is only so much you can do to avoid that. It should hopefully change after next patch, in a couple of weeks.
You can sort the table by fewest goals conceded and pick the one you like. Fanecas and Snow Halation have good score and good defense. You can also use Blue 1.0 if you want.
About the instructions, a lot of people are saying that telling to Overlap Left and Overlap Right can make almost any tactic better. Thoughts ?
I don't think it has any effect in a tactic without wingers.
First of all congratulations for your work on FM these last few years, thank you for everything.
Secondly, i'm using your orange SS and i'd like you to talk about how you normally plan your workouts??
Thirdly, in case of expulsion, who do you withdraw?
Thank you and keep up the good work.
About training schedules, you can check the ones used last year for Blue. I'll make a better description for the tactic in later patches with all those details.
About players being sent off, I'd remove either the SS or STCR (STCL and STC have a more important role in set pieces).
@ZaZ What do you think about those possible tweaks ?
WB-At seems to have almost the same performance as IWB-At, so it won't be a problem at all. About DLF support, I think it would make the tactic worse, but would need to test to confirm it.
Tried for other formations and it wasn't very good. Can try again for this one to see how it goes.
No, just change the position in set pieces. Go to tactic and select set pieces on the top, then choose corner, attacking, and change for both sides.
Just switch the DCR by your tallest striker, and DCL by your next favorite header.
From what I see fatigue is an important thing in fm22 and with how gegenpress works this year it seems like resting players especially if there's 2 games in a week would be the best option or would you rather play them slightly more tired?
After every match, you can go to squad page, sort players by condition and select those most tired to give one or two days of rest from training. All you need to do is select them, right click and choose Training > Rest. That way you rest the players that are tired while allowing other players to do normal training.
Thanks for testing!
Well, he won the league. You can't compare the top tactics from now, in the 6.0 range (~60% of points won), with the top tactics from last year, in the 7.2 range (~72% points won). The best tactic from FM22 is still in the level of an average tactic from FM21. Things will improve in next patches.
Sorry to hear that, I don't know why it's not working for your Arsenal. It seems to work well for other people and even the assistant manager, so I got no clue what's going on there.
What do green and orange mean ？
Colors. They are just identifiers for tactics, so I focus on upgrading those tactics instead of creating new ones. For example, Yellow is my tactic with three defenders (343), while Orange is my tactic with three strikers (433). Blue is supposed to be a balanced tactic (442), while Green was my tactic with advanced wingers. Some of those I will work deeper later, while others will be dropped because of low performance.
Tejash said: I have never played on holiday as I like to micromanage the club always, if I may ask how many matches would you give for the results to show? Its basically plug n play only right just like your earlier tactics??
Yeah, it is supposed to be plug and play. I also recommend to use fast players instead of slow ones.
I don't use OI. I don't know why it's not working there. Have you tried going in holiday (marking option to use current tactic) and seeing if assistant manager also does badly?
Match preparation or set pieces.
1) IWB-At
2) DW-Su
3) One Pf, one AF
4) Or Positive mentality?
More like a combination, to be honest. Positive with DW makes it more stable in the back while IWB-At makes it better in attack. I am not sure if PF makes much of a difference, so I can't talk about it.
Keep in mind that the difference between those two tactics is negligible and could very much fall under the precision range of these tests (5-7%), with 0.036 points per match. In a season of 38 matches, that would be less than 2 points. To be fair, the difference to Orange is not so big either, we can only assume it's better because the goal difference is clearly superior.