famulor said: So is the best narrow tactic the tweak by Dimartino? Ive been using veez strikerless forever and was thinking about changing it up a bit Expand
Dimartino said: That's clearly an overstatement, as I just tweak tacticas from the top tacticians. Obviously I understand that Phoenix is one of the best tactics around, but I don't know why, I was not getting consistent results. Dominating almost every match with high xG, failing tons of easy chances, but a lot of unfair of 1-0, 2-1 losses. With this one I'm scoring more, with consistent good results, and it seems like the opposition has a hard time playing against me. I don't like to waste my or your time with nonsence. When I share something, it's because I really think it's worthy. A bit surprised with the test result, but It's not the first time something that really works for me, to have a bad test result. Expand
Don't get discouraged. Different tests get different outcomes. Phoenix and Blue didn't go very well in fm-base, for example.
DoubleR said: It’s one of the most consistent tactics I have ever played, you are totally right. But it’s a dimartino tweak who might be one of the best tacticians around, so that alone interests me Expand
Was not talking about dimartino specifically, but recently lots of people are bashing Phoenix for a couple of bad results. I think some people get too impatient when they lose 3 or 4 matches in a row, but I think no tactic is immune to some bad form runs.
They are very similar now, because most people got a bit from each other's set pieces. Maybe one will work better for a specific formation, or have some tradeoff between goals scored and goals conceded. For my tactic, my set pieces are the best I tested, but that doesn't mean the set pieces from Egraam, Magician, Zealot or Cyborg wouldn't work better in my tactics if tested in FM-Arena.
Jimmy said: Anyone has a good recommendation for a Right Winger (so right-footed) ? Wonderkid(under 21 at the start of the game) if possible. I got Nico Williams for the Left Wing and he's great (he got much better since the update, I recommend him) ! Expand
DoubleR said: Second game of the season. Im the much better team (Dinamo vs Suduva from Lithuania) but still.. its champions league qualifying so its not like its an amateur team. I can't remember the last FM I had something like this. And an xG of 8.73 ?? Is that a record ?? lol
4 players scored a 10.0, even one that came in as a sub. I also had one player getting a 9.2 and one a 9.1. One player still scored a 6.8, I guess i need to sell him lol Expand
just me said: Great results mate, when you looking for a player, are you also for his mental attributes? Expand
From mental, I only look at vision and anticipation, but more as a tie breaker if they are equaly fast.
Gpassosbh said: So far so good using ZAZ 3.0.. Dominated both Chelsea games and Juventus game, but came with 2 draws and 1 win... Expand
Can't complain with those results as Ajax away from home, right?
ta2199 said: I dont think It's matter. Our team predicted 21st this season Just buy fast player
@ZaZ How do you get the board to upgrade the trainning facilities ? Expand
I usually ask when I have enough spare money and the board is delighted (A+). For example, when I asked this time, I had 4 mi euros (it costs around 2 mi) and projected balance to next year higher than that. I was also overachieving, so they didn't complain. Sometimes they can reject when they think the quality of your facilities is high enough for your stature, but then I insist all I can, and try again after a while if they end up rejecting. However, there are some options when they reject that automatically get you rejected, so you need to choose the other one. For example, saying that you need something to get the fans to your side when they are already supporting you fully, or similar stuff.
Gpassosbh said: Ill use this filters. Right now I'm playing with Ajax, and I like to develop young players. I use your tips and trying to have a very fast team. Also using your training schedules to reach that. So far so good, but dutch championship is very easy. Ill face Chelsea and Juventus in Champions League.. Lets see how I go during this matches. Expand
Just finished the league. Results are below. For a moment I thought it might slip in the last matches, but opponents didn't do their jobs.
Gpassosbh said: Do you have a specific player filter search when look for an player? Like you focus on pace and acceleration, right? What's the minimum value you search? Any age specific? Expand
I always search under 21 years old when playing a long run game. In this one, I'm searching under 23 since it's the team vision (I always try to follow what the board asks). I usually do lots of 4 weeks trial to scout player attributes, like 30 players at a time. If they reject the trial but the agent says they are interested, then I assign a scout to them.
For filters, my initial filter is pace and accelaration. Anyone under a threshold isn't even considered (12 or 13 for weak teams, 14 or 15 to stronger ones). I also want players with good agility and dribling (jumping reach for central defenders), like at least 2 points below the threshold for pace and acceleration. After that, I check players with the best attributes for the age. If there are two similar players but one has 21 years old and another has 17 years old, I get the younger since it probably has higher potential. Then I ask the agent about the conditions, since they usually know better than what the asking price shows. If the conditions fit my pocket, then I go for it.
Another thing that I do is to increase scouting range to maximum for one day at the start of the season, to see players outside of my staff knowledge. Then I shortlist interesting names and go back to small scouting range, so it only charges one month instead of an entire year.
If anyone has another methodology and wants to share, I would be glad to hear.
Also, if you like to play in omniscient mode, then you can use programs like fm-scout, which is very good. I don't use it anymore because it changes the game to a more long term management game, while in blind mode you focus more in the current moment and get more excited when you find a good player, getting more attached to them. In my Leamington run, for example, I used Brown-Sterling for six or seven seasons, from Vanarama North to Premier League, just to discover later that he had 97 of CA and PA (I usually check when I sell the players). Despite his low CA and PA, he was always scoring a lot for my team, so I always had him in high regard. Had I played in omniscient mode, he would probably be sold way earlier.
Gpassosbh said: As a Flamengo supporter, I didn't like the result above.. kkkkk Expand
Got another nice victory with one less player. This time, my CM decided to give a bad tackle with 20s of game, so it was literally playing with one less the entire match. This result and the one against Flamengo gives me a hint that CM is not that important for the tactic to work well. I mean, it is probably the position that plays the best in the formation, but at the same time, the one that can be removed without disrupting the game flow.
By the way, I got kicked from Brazilian Cup by Santos in the semi-finals. I also got raped by Palmeiras at home, 4-1, but I still have a 5 points lead in the table, with 27 matches played.
P.S.: It's also really annoying that Sao Paulo made Picazzo (immediate reserve for SS) his top target and he got unhappy wanting to leave, but that's life.
P.S.2: I also spent 4 mi euros to upgrade training and youth facilities, just because I like to make the team I manage better than when I arrived. Projected balance for next year is around 1 mi euros right now, but it will be better with prize money and such.
Just some further development. I hired three players to improve the squad, one of them being for the first team (Yuriel, got him because I like to have an expert in set pieces). Not any wonder, but I can't be picky with the worst team in the league, as not many are interested in joining. I will show their stats below. Spoiler
The championship is developing really well and I think I will manage to win in the first season, as long as I can hold players from cracking from pressure in the last matches. I believe I can be the champion because I just trampled Flamengo at their home with one less player (in goal opportunities, since it was just 1-0). Not sure if they were complacent or their tactic just has disadvantage against mine. I will show the stats for that match below.
Earlier I also won against Palmeiras, so I think I'll be able to win. Anyway, below is the league table and schedule.
For reference, it took around 6 months for my players to be trained from Ineffectual to Natural, playing more than half the matches. It obviously depends in player adaptability and other attributes, with some players taking over a year while others can take just a couple of months. For example, I have some players still unconvincing, that played less than half the matches, as well as others that didn't move from accomplished after all this time, even playing most matches.
Gpassosbh said: That´s too easy for you then... You should pick an obscure team.. But very good results so far.. Nice to see tactic work very well in Brazil. Expand
Played a couple more matches. Just wanted to show what I usually do when there is busy schedule and a very hard match to win. Usually, people rest main players to play in the hard match. However, I usually prefer to use second team during these matches so I have rested players for the easier match. As an example, I used second team against Santos and Atletico, losing both matches, so I could have rested players for the matches against Bahia and Sao Paulo (home matches). I do that because I like to think it's better to get 3 certain points and maybe a few more than risking losing both the hard and easier matches, one because it was already hard and another because of tired players or second team. It usually pays off in the long run.
P.S.: By the way, I'm using a squad of 22 players (have a couple of emergency players in youth and reserve teams), and I left training intensity in normal. I usually like to play with a squad of 28 or 33 players, depending on the number of matches, and set training intensity to double for players with full condition, to improve attribute gains.
Gpassosbh said: Gremio and Inter are strong teams.. Very good results so far.. Expand
Just finished the regional league, comfortable victory over Inter. I also got a victory against Palmeiras in the national league, which is always nice if I want to be champion there.
My current strategy for weaker team, which should also work for stronger team, is to throw all pressure to the opponents and relieve all pressure from my team. That means I go to the press conferences and say I'll struggle in the match, that the opponent is favorite and stuff like that. Then, I tell my players to go without any pressure in the pep talk and just let them play soccer. Players that don't get motivated in pep talk I tell them individually that I have faith on them. During half time, I'm usually telling them I'm angry if winning by less than 2 goals, or telling them to not get complacent when winning by 2+ goals. Just like before, I tell I have faith in all players that don't get motivated by that. This is enough to make the team very consistent, not falling to pressure and not getting complacent. I also use shouts to encourage (when not winning), no pressure (any time) or praise (winning). So far, this is working better than just praising them all time.
Gpassosbh said: I also think you can make 5 subs during the game, but only "stoping" the game 3 times.. Just like 2 subs + 2 subs + 1 sub.. Something like that... Expand
Really? I just checked here, it's 12 named, 3 used. Maybe it wasn't implemented in the game.
Anyway, played a couple of matches here. So far, so good, but almost got kicked in the first stages of Brazilian Cup because my player got sent off in the first half. However, I didn't face any strong team yet.
P.S.: Playing with all 10 leagues from South America on, as suggested.
If by narrow you mean without wingers, then it's Void.
https://fm-arena.com/table/11-patch-21-4-0/
I was testing some improvements to the tactic these days, all failed. Going back to Libertadores after a short break.
Probably CM, followed by SS.
Don't get discouraged. Different tests get different outcomes. Phoenix and Blue didn't go very well in fm-base, for example.
Was not talking about dimartino specifically, but recently lots of people are bashing Phoenix for a couple of bad results. I think some people get too impatient when they lose 3 or 4 matches in a row, but I think no tactic is immune to some bad form runs.
They are very similar now, because most people got a bit from each other's set pieces. Maybe one will work better for a specific formation, or have some tradeoff between goals scored and goals conceded. For my tactic, my set pieces are the best I tested, but that doesn't mean the set pieces from Egraam, Magician, Zealot or Cyborg wouldn't work better in my tactics if tested in FM-Arena.
In which league?
4 players scored a 10.0, even one that came in as a sub. I also had one player getting a 9.2 and one a 9.1. One player still scored a 6.8, I guess i need to sell him lol
Let me guess, 6.8 was the DM?
Should I upgrade trainning facilities or prof status first ?
Professional status is better. It allows you to train full time, as well as increasing your reputation and bringing more income from deals.
From mental, I only look at vision and anticipation, but more as a tie breaker if they are equaly fast.
Gpassosbh said: So far so good using ZAZ 3.0.. Dominated both Chelsea games and Juventus game, but came with 2 draws and 1 win...
Can't complain with those results as Ajax away from home, right?
ta2199 said: I dont think It's matter. Our team predicted 21st this season
Just buy fast player
@ZaZ How do you get the board to upgrade the trainning facilities ?
I usually ask when I have enough spare money and the board is delighted (A+). For example, when I asked this time, I had 4 mi euros (it costs around 2 mi) and projected balance to next year higher than that. I was also overachieving, so they didn't complain. Sometimes they can reject when they think the quality of your facilities is high enough for your stature, but then I insist all I can, and try again after a while if they end up rejecting. However, there are some options when they reject that automatically get you rejected, so you need to choose the other one. For example, saying that you need something to get the fans to your side when they are already supporting you fully, or similar stuff.
Just finished the league. Results are below. For a moment I thought it might slip in the last matches, but opponents didn't do their jobs.
I always search under 21 years old when playing a long run game. In this one, I'm searching under 23 since it's the team vision (I always try to follow what the board asks). I usually do lots of 4 weeks trial to scout player attributes, like 30 players at a time. If they reject the trial but the agent says they are interested, then I assign a scout to them.
For filters, my initial filter is pace and accelaration. Anyone under a threshold isn't even considered (12 or 13 for weak teams, 14 or 15 to stronger ones). I also want players with good agility and dribling (jumping reach for central defenders), like at least 2 points below the threshold for pace and acceleration. After that, I check players with the best attributes for the age. If there are two similar players but one has 21 years old and another has 17 years old, I get the younger since it probably has higher potential. Then I ask the agent about the conditions, since they usually know better than what the asking price shows. If the conditions fit my pocket, then I go for it.
Another thing that I do is to increase scouting range to maximum for one day at the start of the season, to see players outside of my staff knowledge. Then I shortlist interesting names and go back to small scouting range, so it only charges one month instead of an entire year.
If anyone has another methodology and wants to share, I would be glad to hear.
Also, if you like to play in omniscient mode, then you can use programs like fm-scout, which is very good. I don't use it anymore because it changes the game to a more long term management game, while in blind mode you focus more in the current moment and get more excited when you find a good player, getting more attached to them. In my Leamington run, for example, I used Brown-Sterling for six or seven seasons, from Vanarama North to Premier League, just to discover later that he had 97 of CA and PA (I usually check when I sell the players). Despite his low CA and PA, he was always scoring a lot for my team, so I always had him in high regard. Had I played in omniscient mode, he would probably be sold way earlier.
Got another nice victory with one less player. This time, my CM decided to give a bad tackle with 20s of game, so it was literally playing with one less the entire match. This result and the one against Flamengo gives me a hint that CM is not that important for the tactic to work well. I mean, it is probably the position that plays the best in the formation, but at the same time, the one that can be removed without disrupting the game flow.
By the way, I got kicked from Brazilian Cup by Santos in the semi-finals. I also got raped by Palmeiras at home, 4-1, but I still have a 5 points lead in the table, with 27 matches played.
P.S.: It's also really annoying that Sao Paulo made Picazzo (immediate reserve for SS) his top target and he got unhappy wanting to leave, but that's life.
P.S.2: I also spent 4 mi euros to upgrade training and youth facilities, just because I like to make the team I manage better than when I arrived. Projected balance for next year is around 1 mi euros right now, but it will be better with prize money and such.
Spoiler
The championship is developing really well and I think I will manage to win in the first season, as long as I can hold players from cracking from pressure in the last matches. I believe I can be the champion because I just trampled Flamengo at their home with one less player (in goal opportunities, since it was just 1-0). Not sure if they were complacent or their tactic just has disadvantage against mine. I will show the stats for that match below.
Earlier I also won against Palmeiras, so I think I'll be able to win. Anyway, below is the league table and schedule.
But very good results so far.. Nice to see tactic work very well in Brazil.
Played a couple more matches. Just wanted to show what I usually do when there is busy schedule and a very hard match to win. Usually, people rest main players to play in the hard match. However, I usually prefer to use second team during these matches so I have rested players for the easier match. As an example, I used second team against Santos and Atletico, losing both matches, so I could have rested players for the matches against Bahia and Sao Paulo (home matches). I do that because I like to think it's better to get 3 certain points and maybe a few more than risking losing both the hard and easier matches, one because it was already hard and another because of tired players or second team. It usually pays off in the long run.
P.S.: By the way, I'm using a squad of 22 players (have a couple of emergency players in youth and reserve teams), and I left training intensity in normal. I usually like to play with a squad of 28 or 33 players, depending on the number of matches, and set training intensity to double for players with full condition, to improve attribute gains.
Just finished the regional league, comfortable victory over Inter. I also got a victory against Palmeiras in the national league, which is always nice if I want to be champion there.
My current strategy for weaker team, which should also work for stronger team, is to throw all pressure to the opponents and relieve all pressure from my team. That means I go to the press conferences and say I'll struggle in the match, that the opponent is favorite and stuff like that. Then, I tell my players to go without any pressure in the pep talk and just let them play soccer. Players that don't get motivated in pep talk I tell them individually that I have faith on them. During half time, I'm usually telling them I'm angry if winning by less than 2 goals, or telling them to not get complacent when winning by 2+ goals. Just like before, I tell I have faith in all players that don't get motivated by that. This is enough to make the team very consistent, not falling to pressure and not getting complacent. I also use shouts to encourage (when not winning), no pressure (any time) or praise (winning). So far, this is working better than just praising them all time.
Really? I just checked here, it's 12 named, 3 used. Maybe it wasn't implemented in the game.
Anyway, played a couple of matches here. So far, so good, but almost got kicked in the first stages of Brazilian Cup because my player got sent off in the first half. However, I didn't face any strong team yet.
P.S.: Playing with all 10 leagues from South America on, as suggested.
I usually play the cup with second team until later stages, to keep them happy and in shape. If the reward is really that great, I can change my mind.
P.S.: 12 people in the bench feels so good. It should be adopted in all leagues.