nijak05 said: @ZaZ If changing the wingers to Attack instead of support - would that harm The tactic much? Maybe at home games/ tipped to win and then keep them on support for neutral/away games Expand
Yes, it would. Support duty is better than attack for this tactic, possibly because you already have three main threats in the front with both AF and SS.
Ucan said: Okay i got it , after updated its same. Thank you Zaz Expand
Sorry, I should have just said that. I just get so many messages of people asking stuff here and on private that sometimes I get into auto mode.
Thanks for a great and well explained tactic. But vs Big teams (man city, liverpool etc) I'm really struggling to not concede 3-4 goals. I'm playing as Petersborough and last season I ended up in 5th place in premier division. Expand
The tactic isn't invincible. You are expected to overachieve, but you should still struggle against teams much bigger than yours. Keep improving your squad and eventually you will start having an easy time against those teams.
Gracolas said: Hi guys, i know that CM Mezzala is not in this tactic, but i use it on my own tactic - would you recommend the same attributes as a DM in this table? if not, what would you consider to be the top 5 attributes? Expand
Hard to know, anything I say would be just a guess. Maybe you can check here instead.
cadoni said: Where is Teamwork and other positions? Expand
Kalongtongan said: hi, i'm new to this forum and my english is not good, can anyone tell me or is there a guide for how to test my tactics on this site ? Expand
Create a new thread, add a picture of tactic screen and picture of results (league table).
ta2199 said: Yeah I know, the only difference is the set pieces and the "Force opponent outside" TI (*). I think it will be a little bit better than the previous Asymmetric but not that much. Because the only difference between the Blue DM and Blue 3.2 is (*) and the tactic score increase about 2 points. So basically with all the changes of 3.2 and the same Asymmetric formation I think the tweak will score about 64 to maybe 65. I think people just want to know if It's better than Blue 3.2 or not xD. Expand
The main difference that caused Blue 3.2 to increase score was the throw in routine, not the Force Opposition Outside. Previous routine was harming the tactic.
Could you make a 4-2-3-1 from Blue 3.2 AW? For example: shifting AF to DM position as RPM. Would it work? Congratulations on the work and thanks for the always good tactics. Cheers! Expand
P.S.: To answer your question, the tweak you propose would be worse than original Blue 3.2 AW. It would still get 5.8+, but I can't say if it would reach the 6.0 mark or higher than that. You can always create a new thread asking them to test it here.
Solaris said: I find ZaZ - Blue 3.2 AW also works well with weak teams.
I've tried it with Norwich, predicted 20th and got 67 points which I find a very good result.
Btw, I didn't make any transfers.
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Thanks for testing!
I would like to ask something from anyone that tests the tactic. If possible, keep an eye on set pieces and tell me where you are conceding more goals, if on near or far post (for corner, direct and indirect free kicks). Thanks in advance!
Flunshexmex said: I meant something else, will the role of inside forwards be as effective as W and DW? I would like Raphinha and Harrison to score more goals. I hope you understand what I mean Expand
The scorer is not so relevant, what matters is how many goals a team scores. In this tactic, the top scorers are strikers and shadow striker. For a winger to score a lot, it usually needs to be a inside forward or at least have an attack duty.
Flunshexmex said: Hey guys! could someone explain to me: I play for Leeds, I started using zaz-blue 3.2, but this tactic is more designed for strikers, but the strongest players in my team are wingers (Harrison, Raphinha)and the role of DW does not effective for them. What role can I set my winger in this tactic for maximum effectiveness? Expand
Read "Role Ability" in the first post and check "Blue 3.2 AW".
DeviAngel said: Blue 3.2 with my Lazio. Took them over season before this. Tons of debt, I just signed Gnonto and Arthur on a free. UCL against Dortmund, I turned it around.
I just added one version with Wingers in AML/R position instead of Defensive Wingers. Roles are as shown in the picture. I have tested all roles to substitute DW, including Mezzala and Carrillero, and that role/position has the best performance, with similar results. Depending on your players, you can also mix and have one side with DW and another with advanced W.
I would like to thank @Zippo for the suggestion, I would say it's also his tweak since I wasn't going to post it in first place.
Farinhoto said: So tell me something ZaZ, I use, ZaZ - Blue DM (Double Tweaked) because I like the players' positions more, if I implement your set pieces in this tactic it will work better too??
Thanks!! Expand
I don't think there will be much difference because they didn't have the same problem with throw ins. That doesn't mean you can't use the tweaked versions, they are still very good.
First of all congratulations on getting back to the top of the table.
In second 1 question, we continue with the same functionalities of the original tactic right?? The Trainings, which hits the corners is the DW of the corresponding side... Etc... Right??
Hugs and thanks! 😉 Expand
Everything is the same, I just fixed throw-ins that were harming the tactic performance. They were created in a context where long throw-ins had the best performance, but one of the patches made long throws worse.
Thanks for testing! Sorry for asking, but is that result good or bad? I have never heard of those clubs, don't know if that was overachievement or underachievement.
Tomen said: Big congrats for being at the top of the leaderboards again! I wonder how the different tweaks will stack up now to the original after they have seen the changes you made. Expand
Without trying to be mean, I believe the tweaks got ahead because they fixed the attacking throw ins, which was a major flaw in this tactic. I don't think those specific tweaks will get ahead again. However, I hope some other tweaks can break the wall and push the scores forward.
If changing the wingers to Attack instead of support - would that harm
The tactic much? Maybe at home games/ tipped to win and then keep them on support for neutral/away games
Yes, it would. Support duty is better than attack for this tactic, possibly because you already have three main threats in the front with both AF and SS.
Ucan said: Okay i got it , after updated its same. Thank you Zaz
Sorry, I should have just said that. I just get so many messages of people asking stuff here and on private that sometimes I get into auto mode.
Thanks for testing!
Ucan said: what about forward's preferred foot? is it still same foot as side?
Read "Preferred Foot" at first post.
Rowsdower said: Hello,
Thanks for a great and well explained tactic. But vs Big teams (man city, liverpool etc) I'm really struggling to not concede 3-4 goals. I'm playing as Petersborough and last season I ended up in 5th place in premier division.
The tactic isn't invincible. You are expected to overachieve, but you should still struggle against teams much bigger than yours. Keep improving your squad and eventually you will start having an easy time against those teams.
Hard to know, anything I say would be just a guess. Maybe you can check here instead.
cadoni said: Where is Teamwork and other positions?
It's the second leadership.
Create a new thread, add a picture of tactic screen and picture of results (league table).
Because the only difference between the Blue DM and Blue 3.2 is (*) and the tactic score increase about 2 points. So basically with all the changes of 3.2 and the same Asymmetric formation I think the tweak will score about 64 to maybe 65.
I think people just want to know if It's better than Blue 3.2 or not xD.
The main difference that caused Blue 3.2 to increase score was the throw in routine, not the Force Opposition Outside. Previous routine was harming the tactic.
Could you make a 4-2-3-1 from Blue 3.2 AW? For example: shifting AF to DM position as RPM. Would it work? Congratulations on the work and thanks for the always good tactics. Cheers!
There are already good tactics in this shape. For example: https://fm-arena.com/tactic/2490-martin-snoop-4231/
P.S.: To answer your question, the tweak you propose would be worse than original Blue 3.2 AW. It would still get 5.8+, but I can't say if it would reach the 6.0 mark or higher than that. You can always create a new thread asking them to test it here.
I've tried it with Norwich, predicted 20th and got 67 points which I find a very good result.
Btw, I didn't make any transfers.
Thanks for testing!
I would like to ask something from anyone that tests the tactic. If possible, keep an eye on set pieces and tell me where you are conceding more goals, if on near or far post (for corner, direct and indirect free kicks). Thanks in advance!
Man Utd, the 1st season
Champions Cup Final
At least in the game they can pay back for the 5-0.
The scorer is not so relevant, what matters is how many goals a team scores. In this tactic, the top scorers are strikers and shadow striker. For a winger to score a lot, it usually needs to be a inside forward or at least have an attack duty.
Read "Role Ability" in the first post and check "Blue 3.2 AW".
Gratz!
I would like to thank @Zippo for the suggestion, I would say it's also his tweak since I wasn't going to post it in first place.
No, but since it loses less possession in throw ins, it possibly gets more corners, which results in more goals.
Thanks!!
I don't think there will be much difference because they didn't have the same problem with throw ins. That doesn't mean you can't use the tweaked versions, they are still very good.
First of all congratulations on getting back to the top of the table.
In second 1 question, we continue with the same functionalities of the original tactic right?? The Trainings, which hits the corners is the DW of the corresponding side... Etc... Right??
Hugs and thanks! 😉
Everything is the same, I just fixed throw-ins that were harming the tactic performance. They were created in a context where long throw-ins had the best performance, but one of the patches made long throws worse.
I see corner routines are working well there. =)
Thanks for testing! Sorry for asking, but is that result good or bad? I have never heard of those clubs, don't know if that was overachievement or underachievement.
Without trying to be mean, I believe the tweaks got ahead because they fixed the attacking throw ins, which was a major flaw in this tactic. I don't think those specific tweaks will get ahead again. However, I hope some other tweaks can break the wall and push the scores forward.