crazyfmguy93 said: I think this tactic perform better than ZaZ in real world because winger does not good as a defensive winger in realistic attributes. Expand
7.2 and 7.1 is not much of a difference. You can probably win anything even with tactics with 6.6 score or lower. Just pick the one you like to see playing.
Egraam said: I've been playing around with the tactic a bit and I've found throw-ins to be a bit of weakness - I haven't really gotten any chances created from throw-ins. I've also used Pheonix for a bit and I quite like it's throw-in setup so I've plugged it here. Also I think tight marking is still good, just not on defenders (that's why tight marking TI is not that effective in my opinion). So I've changed wingers to defensive wingers, and added tight marking on all non-defenders, effectively combining Blue 3.0 with Pheonix. Here are some results of this tweak but it still needs more testing, not sure yet if it's better than original Blue. I'll play with it in my own save now, and hopefully be able to share some more results soon.
City 107 points, Sevilla 99 points all cups.
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Thank you for the suggestions. I'll test it here and see how it compares to Blue 3.0.
P.S.: I'll test separated the throw-ins from Phoenix, mark tighter to non defenders and wingers instead of defensive wingers (it was only tested long time ago so it might have changed this patch). Then I will come back with results to tell what worked and what didn't.
Gpassosbh said: Or you just play with the same tactic all season without any tweak??? Expand
Sometimes I start with cautious mentality against stronger team. When those teams reach second half without winning, their players start to get nervous, meaning they play worse. Then I change back to positive in the second half, or even very attacking, and manage to win the match. I do that a lot and it works like a charm.
P.S: I just did that to win against Liverpool, with Leamington (a team that climbed from the lowest division). For reference, my entire team costs 1 million per year in wages, while a single player from Liverpool, like Alisson, costs 10 million euros per year. You can see a few of my players in the last page, to see how bad they are.
P.S.3: Just some screenshots of my current run. Spoiler First in wages is Manchester City, with 320M per year. First in sponsors is Manchester United, with 276M per year.
P.S.2: Added the following tips to the opening post: Spoiler
Against stronger teams, a good trick is to start the match with Cautious mentality, then change back to Positive or Very Attacking on the second half. It works because players from stronger teams crack down at half time when not winning, or get complacent when winning even by one goal. Then you can surprise them and snatch a win while their performance goes down. Against weaker teams, it's often better to just start with Very Attacking mentality. If you are also training Light Blue and Dark Blue, the change in mentality won't affect your tactical affinity.
infxamus said: can we change the DW to Wingers and then add the 'close down more' instruction? Expand
I tested with Winger without Close Down More and it was around the same thing. I'm not sure if Close Down More makes it better or worse, since it wasn't tested.
DeviAngel said: I finished 3rd with Benevento, no transfers. Its kinda leaky sometimes but great tactics ! Expand
When designing and testing the tactic, I tried to optimize goal difference by the end of season. I didn't look much to goals scored or goals conceded, but the difference between. That's why the set pieces sacrifice a bit of defense to get more counter attack opportunities, leaving some extra players advanced.
My advice is to switch to Cautious when you want to concede less and switch to Very Attacking when you want to score more.
Agüero alone scored 56 goals in official matches. For reference, Messi "only" scored more than that 3 times in his career (58, 60 and 69). Imagine this with Liverpool.
jayZ said: is there new set pieces in that upload? Expand
Set pieces from 3.0 are the same from 2.1. If you want to use it with another tactic, you can download 3.0, go to set pieces and choose the option to save all routines.
Thanks for the good job! If you allow me to give a suggestion, I would tell to remove the best and worst result from tests when calculating scores, to avoid outliers that could distort the averages. Those results could be marked with an X to indicate they are not considered for scoring. Statistically speaking, using the four middle runs would give more precision than using all the six.
Thanks! @ta2199 and @Mark helped a lot with feedback and suggestions. At least now @Magician will be more motivated than ever to bring an even stronger version of Phoenix.
Exsodya said: I'm playing on the Xbox. Could you please share tactic’s screenshots for me? Expand
Everything is in the first post, except set pieces. I will add set pieces later today.
Mark said: Wow - that is so impressive. DId you go up every season or did it take a few season at some levels Expand
Yeah, all in a row. But I definitely don't expect to do anything in the first year of Premier League. I'll be happy if I manage to grab a spot in the Europe Cup, but I'm actually expecting just to survive the first year. For reference, I've got 350k euros from TV last year in the lower division, while Premier League will pay me over 70mi euros. My entire team's wage was around 1mi euros, while players now ask for almost 1mi to sign a contract in Premier League. I can't afford that yet, so I set my wage ceiling to 300k, 500k if extremely good player, then I'll increase it to 1mi next year. It's a year to build up squad and facilities. My new stadium just finished building (started at League One) and both coaching and recruitment are at max level. Now I want to max training (adequate) and youth (good) facilities.
Below is how my team went through the seasons. 20/21: Champion in Vanarama North + FA Trophy 21/22: Champion in Vanarama National 22/23: Champion in Vanarama League Two 23/24: Champion in Vanarama League One + Papa John Cup 24/25: 5th in Skybet Championship (promoted in qualifiers)
My squad still have three players that were with me the entire journey from Vanarama North. Below are their stats. I also added Sol Hamilton, the best player in my team.
Zippo said: No worries, thank you for your comprehension.
The previous versions are far from being useless because it's always very useful to know what worked well for the previous patches and how you've been changing your tactics from patch to patch. Also, there are some people that keep their Steam clients in 'Offline mode' to avoid updates so they are still on the previous patches.
Also, having different tactics with the same name is extremely confusion. Imagine, people were discussing and positing results for a tactic that was called Blue 2.0 but you've deleted it and uploaded a different tactic with the same name. Now people are discussing and uploading results for a tactic that's is also called Blue 2.0 but it's a different tactic. Could you imagine how confusing it will be for people that only recently stumbled across your thread?
Higher version number should indicate a more recent tactic.
If you think that some of the previous versions(e.g. Blue 2.1) is the best for the 21.4 patch then there's nothing wrong in uploading it once more but with a different name(e.g. Blue 3.0).
Please, let me know when you sort it out.
Thanks. Expand
Ohh, didn't think it would be fine to just rename it to higher number. Gonna update it.
7.2 and 7.1 is not much of a difference. You can probably win anything even with tactics with 6.6 score or lower. Just pick the one you like to see playing.
City 107 points, Sevilla 99 points all cups.
Thank you for the suggestions. I'll test it here and see how it compares to Blue 3.0.
P.S.: I'll test separated the throw-ins from Phoenix, mark tighter to non defenders and wingers instead of defensive wingers (it was only tested long time ago so it might have changed this patch). Then I will come back with results to tell what worked and what didn't.
Sometimes I start with cautious mentality against stronger team. When those teams reach second half without winning, their players start to get nervous, meaning they play worse. Then I change back to positive in the second half, or even very attacking, and manage to win the match. I do that a lot and it works like a charm.
P.S: I just did that to win against Liverpool, with Leamington (a team that climbed from the lowest division). For reference, my entire team costs 1 million per year in wages, while a single player from Liverpool, like Alisson, costs 10 million euros per year. You can see a few of my players in the last page, to see how bad they are.
P.S.3: Just some screenshots of my current run.
Spoiler
First in wages is Manchester City, with 320M per year. First in sponsors is Manchester United, with 276M per year.
P.S.2: Added the following tips to the opening post:
Spoiler Against stronger teams, a good trick is to start the match with Cautious mentality, then change back to Positive or Very Attacking on the second half. It works because players from stronger teams crack down at half time when not winning, or get complacent when winning even by one goal. Then you can surprise them and snatch a win while their performance goes down. Against weaker teams, it's often better to just start with Very Attacking mentality. If you are also training Light Blue and Dark Blue, the change in mentality won't affect your tactical affinity.
I tested with Winger without Close Down More and it was around the same thing. I'm not sure if Close Down More makes it better or worse, since it wasn't tested.
DeviAngel said: I finished 3rd with Benevento, no transfers. Its kinda leaky sometimes but great tactics !
When designing and testing the tactic, I tried to optimize goal difference by the end of season. I didn't look much to goals scored or goals conceded, but the difference between. That's why the set pieces sacrifice a bit of defense to get more counter attack opportunities, leaving some extra players advanced.
My advice is to switch to Cautious when you want to concede less and switch to Very Attacking when you want to score more.
I just did treble with Atletico Madrid.
I wonder what is the worst team that this tactic would manage to win a top league or even the UCL in the first year, without any transfer.
Agüero alone scored 56 goals in official matches. For reference, Messi "only" scored more than that 3 times in his career (58, 60 and 69). Imagine this with Liverpool.
The game mimics real life.
Set pieces from 3.0 are the same from 2.1. If you want to use it with another tactic, you can download 3.0, go to set pieces and choose the option to save all routines.
Maybe Wingers also work better with forwards, since they go up more than Defensive Wingers.
Thanks! @ta2199 and @Mark helped a lot with feedback and suggestions. At least now @Magician will be more motivated than ever to bring an even stronger version of Phoenix.
Exsodya said: I'm playing on the Xbox. Could you please share tactic’s screenshots for me?
Everything is in the first post, except set pieces. I will add set pieces later today.
P.S.: Added screenshots for set pieces, @Exsodya.
Best tactic of FM20 also got 7.2. Hopefully we can get even better in FM21!
Yes.. Yes... I'm very cruel
Nah, you are completely right!
P.S.: Funny thing that this is just 2.1 renamed to 3.0. I couldn't improve it and kinda gave up.
Yeah, all in a row. But I definitely don't expect to do anything in the first year of Premier League. I'll be happy if I manage to grab a spot in the Europe Cup, but I'm actually expecting just to survive the first year. For reference, I've got 350k euros from TV last year in the lower division, while Premier League will pay me over 70mi euros. My entire team's wage was around 1mi euros, while players now ask for almost 1mi to sign a contract in Premier League. I can't afford that yet, so I set my wage ceiling to 300k, 500k if extremely good player, then I'll increase it to 1mi next year. It's a year to build up squad and facilities. My new stadium just finished building (started at League One) and both coaching and recruitment are at max level. Now I want to max training (adequate) and youth (good) facilities.
Below is how my team went through the seasons.
20/21: Champion in Vanarama North + FA Trophy
21/22: Champion in Vanarama National
22/23: Champion in Vanarama League Two
23/24: Champion in Vanarama League One + Papa John Cup
24/25: 5th in Skybet Championship (promoted in qualifiers)
My squad still have three players that were with me the entire journey from Vanarama North. Below are their stats. I also added Sol Hamilton, the best player in my team.
The previous versions are far from being useless because it's always very useful to know what worked well for the previous patches and how you've been changing your tactics from patch to patch. Also, there are some people that keep their Steam clients in 'Offline mode' to avoid updates so they are still on the previous patches.
Also, having different tactics with the same name is extremely confusion. Imagine, people were discussing and positing results for a tactic that was called Blue 2.0 but you've deleted it and uploaded a different tactic with the same name. Now people are discussing and uploading results for a tactic that's is also called Blue 2.0 but it's a different tactic. Could you imagine how confusing it will be for people that only recently stumbled across your thread?
Please, check this - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/3977/
Thanks.
Fixed.
Higher version number should indicate a more recent tactic.
If you think that some of the previous versions(e.g. Blue 2.1) is the best for the 21.4 patch then there's nothing wrong in uploading it once more but with a different name(e.g. Blue 3.0).
Please, let me know when you sort it out.
Thanks.
Ohh, didn't think it would be fine to just rename it to higher number. Gonna update it.
Please, check this - https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/3967/.
Thanks.
Fixed. Sorry for the trouble.