I finally identified what was causing my tactics to perform badly. Now I finally started moving forward again. Going to take a few days to post a new tactic, but results are promising.
saycarramrod said: @ZaZ Have you tried what is effectively this formation but moving both strikers to SS? So basically this in strikerless. I tried it (playing, not simming) for a season and thought it was actually pretty fantastic. DMs were maybe a different role though (DM-Support, possibly). Expand
keithb said: @ZaZ can I ask how you test tactics? I have a good pc and like trying to build tactics, not very well, but am trying to learn from bits and pieces I pick up - mainly from you and kanp. But when running tests I notice all my players need a rest and cant help but feel this makes testing........ inconsistent? No worries if you'd rather not disclose this, thanks for all the tactics and your help . Expand
I just do normal holiday seasons with different teams.
crizeKOS said: Ah, I'm sorry, u r right. I hope someone tweak Fire coz it scored tons of goals despite being defensive fragile. Expand
I'm working in a new version of Wind, which means the shape is 4123, but any good thing from there might also work on Fire. However, I'm also keeping an eye on the results from FM-Arena for instructions.
NandaldiaN said: the tests are in 3000 games, and there are hardly any changes, in some cases the difference is 3-4 goals in 3000 games... it is negligible Expand
3k matches is like 75 seasons. We are talking about 3 points of difference in each of those 75 seasons, in average, which is pretty significant. The difference in goals was 6, which is also pretty high. Obviously, some of it can still e statistical noise, but considering this is the most robust test to date, we can assume the results to be evidence that counter is better than not using counter.
Keep in mind that he is not testing synergy, so this might not be truth when you assemble a tactic together, because some instructions might conflict with each other.
I know it's hard to test all the options, but I have found in my experiments that 25% and 75% of some instructions are usually better than the middle or extremes. It happened in defensive line, and also in passing directness, even if it was very close that it might just be statistical noise. Anyway, I think it would be nice to test those middle grounds, but I understand if it's not possible.
RonaldoWeah said: Thanks for your great job, but i still think different formations can have different effects on different mentalities. It shouldn't be same as attributes, otherwise all maths in FM become rubbish. Expand
Yeah, but it's very hard to measure synergy between instructions.
Zippo said: Base Tactic: - No Team Instructions - No Player Instructions
Each mentality was tested for 2,880 matches and then the result was translated into a standard season of 36 matches Expand
Funny that I was testing exactly that, and now I have mixed feelings about it. Bad feeling because I lost almost two days testing, good feeling because I don't need to lose any more time. Thanks for testing!
I'm actually playing with Standard in Belgium League, and i've got some difficulties to maximise the potential of the tactic.
I'm using the training for the Fire Tactic, each points are respected, but i'm still in doubt. I've got a decent xg per game, but it's so hard to score goals. It's the first time than I have such difficulties to score, and I dont't even know where it's comes from : playesr or something else ?
Do you have tips to resolve it ? Thanks Expand
Hard to say what's the problem since it's not my tactic.
Anyway, I just started testing again. I was a bit busy last week and didn't have much time, but let's hope good things are coming.
Lsully95 said: I did attempt that but I kept getting this error when trying to start the game, I could close it and play but it'd only run for a few weeks then crash.
The editor seems to be happy with the changes at the time, passing the verification/tests.
But that is reassuring that deleting all the competitions can be done, when the sim ran for a few weeks before crashing, it was blazing fast!
Any idea how to correct the error?
Cheers! Expand
You can just click ok and the game starts. It only appears during load.
Lsully95 said: Has anyone got any advice on how to create a good testing league? I've given it a go but the world cup in Dec 2022 interrupts my schedule and fatigue, injuries, morale etc. are all big influencing factors which I'm not sure how to eliminate. I've made some tweaks to this tactic and it seems to be more effective but can't say for sure without running a few tests! Thanks! Expand
Open the editor, select all competitions not from the desired nation, then delete them.
Kaczy said: Ok thx but can You explain me why there is version 1.0 since You already made 3.0 ?
And one more thing i cannot use Your trening in semi professional teams? Only professional? Expand
There is no 3.0 in FM23.
About training, it's for professional teams, because semi-professionals don't train the entire week. Some people manage to bypass that, but since it's a bug, I'm not going to consider it.
There will be new match engine in a couple of weeks, then all tests will need to be remade.
Didn't have much luck with strikerless yet.
There is a table with ranks.
https://fm-arena.com/table/17-patch-23-1-0/
Sane said: @ZaZ please share your current best tactics, while fm-arena is not testing
I'm working on a tactic while also testing with the things that FM-Arena tested.
I just do normal holiday seasons with different teams.
but there's still a lot of instructions that seem do very little or nothing
Or that would only show results when paired with other instructions (which is unfreasible to test).
I'm working in a new version of Wind, which means the shape is 4123, but any good thing from there might also work on Fire. However, I'm also keeping an eye on the results from FM-Arena for instructions.
3k matches is like 75 seasons. We are talking about 3 points of difference in each of those 75 seasons, in average, which is pretty significant. The difference in goals was 6, which is also pretty high. Obviously, some of it can still e statistical noise, but considering this is the most robust test to date, we can assume the results to be evidence that counter is better than not using counter.
Keep in mind that he is not testing synergy, so this might not be truth when you assemble a tactic together, because some instructions might conflict with each other.
Yeah, but it's very hard to measure synergy between instructions.
- No Team Instructions
- No Player Instructions
Each mentality was tested for 2,880 matches and then the result was translated into a standard season of 36 matches
Funny that I was testing exactly that, and now I have mixed feelings about it. Bad feeling because I lost almost two days testing, good feeling because I don't need to lose any more time. Thanks for testing!
Like I said, I just came back, so I don't know.
I'm actually playing with Standard in Belgium League, and i've got some difficulties to maximise the potential of the tactic.
I'm using the training for the Fire Tactic, each points are respected, but i'm still in doubt.
I've got a decent xg per game, but it's so hard to score goals. It's the first time than I have such difficulties to score, and I dont't even know where it's comes from : playesr or something else ?
Do you have tips to resolve it ? Thanks
Hard to say what's the problem since it's not my tactic.
Anyway, I just started testing again. I was a bit busy last week and didn't have much time, but let's hope good things are coming.
Will add it once I finish some tests for newer tactic.
The editor seems to be happy with the changes at the time, passing the verification/tests.
But that is reassuring that deleting all the competitions can be done, when the sim ran for a few weeks before crashing, it was blazing fast!
Any idea how to correct the error?
Cheers!
You can just click ok and the game starts. It only appears during load.
Open the editor, select all competitions not from the desired nation, then delete them.
Version 0.X is a common naming standard before the release of something. Then, it's normal to pick the best version and rename it to 1.0.
And one more thing i cannot use Your trening in semi professional teams? Only professional?
There is no 3.0 in FM23.
About training, it's for professional teams, because semi-professionals don't train the entire week. Some people manage to bypass that, but since it's a bug, I'm not going to consider it.
https://fm-arena.com/table/17-patch-23-1-0/?author_name=ZaZ#options
Possibly. I feel like tactics can still improve a lot.