treath said: Zaz, i'm playing with 1.46 version but i made these tweaks myself, i guess this version will get better results.
Besides i still sticking with low crosses, but i add take more risks OCBs, Shoot Less for wingbacks, i add too sit narrower for inside forward and i really do not know if it is a coincidence or not but after i add Hold up the ball instruction for Shadow Striker my team bang more and a lot of goals.
Shadow striker itself score more and give more assists, there is a game he made 3 assists and score 2 goals, that not happen never before this instruction. Maybe after your currents tests you should add this.
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In defence there is a difference in Argus for my team made sense, that is set off the step up more instruction and make balanced...at least watching the games it seems i suffer less from long balss and killing passes. Expand
Thanks! I will try some of those tomorrow and see how it goes.
Giving a new chance to Whipping Crosses. For this version, I also added take more risks to OCBs, since they have more options for passes from the back than other positions, and shoot less often to wingbacks, since they have the lowest accuracy because they mostly shot from outside of area. Those instructions have been successfully tested in Argus, and they make sense.
max 737 said: There is something major wrong with this FM26, I get knocked out of Carabao cup first round at home 1-2. I have 14 shots on target and score only 1 goal and they have only 2 shots on target and they score both the two goals. And this happens repeatedly. This is absolutely unrealistic for me. And this never happens on my side but always with the opponent's. How is this possible? Because of this no tactic works properly. I may have to stop playing this game Expand
FM has always been like that. There is no way to fix it other than deep prayer.
treath said: ZaZ, watching games i found the performance of my shadow striker very bad, does not participate well, score some goals but....
Did you test other roles in the AMC position like Atackind Mid or Channel Midfield?? The SS really outperformed all other roles? (i read somewhere that the channel forward is the best if you play with striker) Expand
I tested other roles, and SS seems to be the best right now. AM is close, but the others did not perform very well. I can investigate the role again after my current batch of tests.
Chris said: Are we really testing new tactics or it's just the same tactic? Every tactic I see posted it's almost the same formation with similar if not the same points. For example, rank#1 from zaz has more than 30 tested variatons. At this point it's really worth keep wasting time on testing again and again the same formation? Also, we can say we found what is broken (no striker, 3 def atk, 5def def) so why not focus now on different formations or trying to get good points on striker formations? I love to test tactics and make random formations but man, this is starting to be so boring. Ofc it's my personal opinion and im not trying to sound rude. Thank you all for the time u dedicate to create and test tactics, gg Expand
Many people are trying different formations, you can see at least a dozen in the first page of the tactic testing log. You are just focusing on the tactics on the top of the table, which are similar because that is what works in this version. People trying to improve the meta will use others as inspiration, or try to tweak their tactics, but that does not stop others from trying what they want.
KreckWid said: hi Zaz, what striker do you recommend? a "normal striker" playing at cam, and training at cam to develop that position or just a regular cam, or both options are solid?
thank you and great tactics Expand
Personally I recommend a natural AMC, because their weights for pace and acceleration are lower than strikers and wingers, which make them achieve higher overall attributes when you focus on speed growth. However, as long as they are fast players, it does not matter much if you just retrain from another position (but make sure they are at least green in the position).
tzahy said: thanks mate, and where do i find this in the game? how do i import the file. in fm24 it was esay Expand
You find the training sessions at the calendar (the schedule of matches), for some reason.
Dav said: Pour les entraînements dans le jeu je peu les charger mais au moment de les appliquer ya rien je ne vois pas le nom. Sûrement un bug encore !!! Expand
You need to manually apply it to every week of the year in the calendar. The devs probably never played the game, so they do not know how annoying it is.
max 737 said: @ZaZ How to convert shots on target into goals? I have lot of shots on target but don't get the goals? Expand
That happens every now and then, and sometimes it can take a few matches to go back to normal. Just do your best to control morale and condition while the situation does not improve.
During the match how to give these instructions of work ball into box, shoot less and discourage shots from distance?
Thanks Expand
Sorry, I do not understand your question. Those are team instructions, set when you are creating (or modifying) a tactic. You can change tactic (and team instructions) during the match, just need to click on the tactic and change it.
Dav said: Slt super travail j'utilise une tactique similaire à la tienne et franchement sa marche vraiment bien pourtant je suis dans le championnat de Andorre. Mais il est vrai que mes joueurs sont souvent blessé en fin de saison sûrement du à l'entraînement et il faut aussi doubler les postes de latéraux car il se dépense beaucoup. Mais je vais tester ta tactique et tes entraînements sur une autre save je te ferai un retour. En tout cas merci du travail Expand
Could you please elaborate this? do you have any post or forum threads, where you discuss this because i see alot of people saying this dosnt have any effects, but i would like to know if you had a chance to test or migth have some do's and donts regarding opponent instructions, since you recommend people only to do so if they know what they are doing i would like to know how to do it
great work with this tactic, absolutely destroyed the danish league with this tactic with a newly promoted team Expand
Opponent instructions have some effect, since it changes how players behave, but it is something to be done on a per match basis. For example, showing the right foot to the right winger will increase chance of them moving wide or crossing instead of moving inside or passing to the middle. That can be positive or negative depending on your tactic, the tactic from your opponent, and the players. Another example is triggering press against players with low composure, or never marking tighter players with good dribbling skills, forcing them to pass instead. Anyway, the idea is that you can customize the behavior to the specific opponent, and that can be good if you know what you are doing.
Mark said: @ZaZ thanks for putting it up for testing. Certainly within the margin of error of the best striker tactic. I will continue to use it and have the strikerless as the back up if we are in trouble. Expand
You are welcome! Apparently someone posted one with similar results with two AMs, but any tactic within 1 or 2 points of difference might be better than the other, because of statistical variation.
Personally, I prefer tactics with two strikers instead of a single one (for no reason other than more pleasant attacking moves), so I will post one with two strikers too, just to see how they compare.
Mark said: @ZaZ any chance you could try this moving the the SS forward to ST CHF with makes more runs. I prefer using a striker, like many others on the forum, and this seems to be working well for me. I wonder if it would go to the top of the tactics with strikers. Thanks Expand
I was testing all types of strikers, with variants in player instructions, and CHF with Make More Runs gave me the best results so far. I will add a variant to the first message of this thread, and upload it to test once my cooldown time is over, but results will not be particularly impressive (still enough to overachieve and win leagues, though).
My other current tests are related to Take More Risks in the backline (OCB, AWB, CHM, in different combinations), and higher participation of IFs in defense (TWM, WMF and similar roles OoP). I should put some less conclusive tests here to see how it goes, and I still wanted to test other formations, but I have to respect the limit of two tests per 24h.
max 737 said: Hi @ZaZ would just like to understand how does it help in giving 3 rest days after a match? Is 1 day rest enough? And say if a match is after 3 days then how many days rest do you give? I also noticed that due to rest, the match performance went down a lot and players were not performing as well as they were with the full training! Expand
It was a typo. I meant three rest sessions in one day, to stack with "No pitch and gym work" and trigger super-rest.
https://fm-arena.com/thread/13508-training-is-fake-it-just-assigns-attributes-not-grows-attributes-results-based-on-a-large-number-of-tests/page-12/
Besides i still sticking with low crosses, but i add take more risks OCBs, Shoot Less for wingbacks, i add too sit narrower for inside forward and i really do not know if it is a coincidence or not but after i add Hold up the ball instruction for Shadow Striker my team bang more and a lot of goals.
Shadow striker itself score more and give more assists, there is a game he made 3 assists and score 2 goals, that not happen never before this instruction. Maybe after your currents tests you should add this.
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In defence there is a difference in Argus for my team made sense, that is set off the step up more instruction and make balanced...at least watching the games it seems i suffer less from long balss and killing passes.
Thanks! I will try some of those tomorrow and see how it goes.
FM has always been like that. There is no way to fix it other than deep prayer.
Sad for the loss, but thanks for testing!
Did you test other roles in the AMC position like Atackind Mid or Channel Midfield?? The SS really outperformed all other roles?
(i read somewhere that the channel forward is the best if you play with striker)
I tested other roles, and SS seems to be the best right now. AM is close, but the others did not perform very well. I can investigate the role again after my current batch of tests.
Many people are trying different formations, you can see at least a dozen in the first page of the tactic testing log. You are just focusing on the tactics on the top of the table, which are similar because that is what works in this version. People trying to improve the meta will use others as inspiration, or try to tweak their tactics, but that does not stop others from trying what they want.
a "normal striker" playing at cam, and training at cam to develop that position or just a regular cam, or both options are solid?
thank you and great tactics
Personally I recommend a natural AMC, because their weights for pace and acceleration are lower than strikers and wingers, which make them achieve higher overall attributes when you focus on speed growth. However, as long as they are fast players, it does not matter much if you just retrain from another position (but make sure they are at least green in the position).
You find the training sessions at the calendar (the schedule of matches), for some reason.
Dav said: Pour les entraînements dans le jeu je peu les charger mais au moment de les appliquer ya rien je ne vois pas le nom. Sûrement un bug encore !!!
You need to manually apply it to every week of the year in the calendar. The devs probably never played the game, so they do not know how annoying it is.
That happens every now and then, and sometimes it can take a few matches to go back to normal. Just do your best to control morale and condition while the situation does not improve.
During the match how to give these instructions of work ball into box, shoot less and discourage shots from distance?
Thanks
Sorry, I do not understand your question. Those are team instructions, set when you are creating (or modifying) a tactic. You can change tactic (and team instructions) during the match, just need to click on the tactic and change it.
Dav said: Slt super travail j'utilise une tactique similaire à la tienne et franchement sa marche vraiment bien pourtant je suis dans le championnat de Andorre. Mais il est vrai que mes joueurs sont souvent blessé en fin de saison sûrement du à l'entraînement et il faut aussi doubler les postes de latéraux car il se dépense beaucoup. Mais je vais tester ta tactique et tes entraînements sur une autre save je te ferai un retour. En tout cas merci du travail
Thanks, and good luck!
IlPadreMogens said: Hi Zaz
Could you please elaborate this? do you have any post or forum threads, where you discuss this because i see alot of people saying this dosnt have any effects, but i would like to know if you had a chance to test or migth have some do's and donts regarding opponent instructions, since you recommend people only to do so if they know what they are doing
great work with this tactic, absolutely destroyed the danish league with this tactic with a newly promoted team
Opponent instructions have some effect, since it changes how players behave, but it is something to be done on a per match basis. For example, showing the right foot to the right winger will increase chance of them moving wide or crossing instead of moving inside or passing to the middle. That can be positive or negative depending on your tactic, the tactic from your opponent, and the players. Another example is triggering press against players with low composure, or never marking tighter players with good dribbling skills, forcing them to pass instead. Anyway, the idea is that you can customize the behavior to the specific opponent, and that can be good if you know what you are doing.
You are welcome! Apparently someone posted one with similar results with two AMs, but any tactic within 1 or 2 points of difference might be better than the other, because of statistical variation.
Personally, I prefer tactics with two strikers instead of a single one (for no reason other than more pleasant attacking moves), so I will post one with two strikers too, just to see how they compare.
I was testing all types of strikers, with variants in player instructions, and CHF with Make More Runs gave me the best results so far. I will add a variant to the first message of this thread, and upload it to test once my cooldown time is over, but results will not be particularly impressive (still enough to overachieve and win leagues, though).
My other current tests are related to Take More Risks in the backline (OCB, AWB, CHM, in different combinations), and higher participation of IFs in defense (TWM, WMF and similar roles OoP). I should put some less conclusive tests here to see how it goes, and I still wanted to test other formations, but I have to respect the limit of two tests per 24h.
In the first post, you have a version for Tuesday and Saturday. You can adjust it by doing Tuesday > Wednesday > Thursday > Tuesday.
I recommend playing an AM there, and you can train strikers for that position.
It was a typo. I meant three rest sessions in one day, to stack with "No pitch and gym work" and trigger super-rest.