JohnBoy1993 said: Anyone got any advice on the Wingers? Struggling for goals from them but getting plenty of assists. Expand
As long as they are contributing in other ways, it is fine. What matters is how many goals your team is scoring, and not exactly how many each position is scoring individually. To be short about it, players with high passing, crossing, vision and other creative attributes will often do more assisting than scoring, because actions with higher chance of success usually have priority in the match engine. That does not mean they are playing bad, and having a winger that scores more goals does not mean your team would perform better as a whole.
keithb said: Interesting stuff!! I didn't see his rest settings? Did he show them?
Would you swap some physical for resistance? Expand
The resting settings of his tests are default. About Physical for Resistance, the results are the same for growth, and the gain in condition is too small, so I prefer to keep Physical for clarity (Resistance seems more of a bug, because the description doesn't match). Keep in mind that I am not saying his results are bad, it's just that he didn't consider automatic resting in his experiments.
I have updated the training schedule with a slight change (match practice day changed from Tuesday to Monday). The reason for the change is because some away matches on Wednesday were overriding the Match Practice session, and I prefer that it overrides a Physical session instead.
This guy here made a very in-depth study on training sessions that corroborate my results. However, he didn't use automatic rest for players below excellent condition ( "no pitch or gym training" ), which forced him to add several resting sessions in his schedule. I believe my schedule gives better results and is more convenient (it can be used during the entire season, even during pre-season and no matter how many matches you have per week).
Just to be clear, FM-Arena's table is a very good approximation of the impact of each attribute on performance. For those that seek a simpler way to estimate a player's ability, it's way easier to just pick two or three attributes of that table and go for it, you will still overachieve a lot doing that.
Samscott83 said: Really enjoying the tactic and it's working! Just a couple of Qs. When you start with Blue 4.0 and you go 1-0 down (thankfully nit happened much) do you recommend just sticking with Blue or transitioning to green even though it is more defensive?
Also any recommendations when you get a man sent off? Expand
In the situation you described, I would stick to Blue and give some shouts to player. I would change to Green if I was the one winning, though. In short, I use Blue when I need to score, and Green when I want to play safe.
About red cards, remove a striker (or maybe a winger).
kvasir said: Do you guys score a lot from set pieces? I feel like my team isn't scoring as much as it should. The board itself is unhappy with the fact that I am not making the most out of set pieces.
Are these loaded automatically with the tactic?
Thank you! Expand
Yeah, they are loaded automatically with the tactic. Keep in mind that goals from set pieces can change from season to season, and it can also be affected by the characteristics of your players. For example, I had seasons where I scored as many as 30 goals from corners, while in others I scored barely 10.
Sharpy said: thanks @ZaZ . with the effectiveness of this new training schedule, does it benefit you more in terms of player development, to keep youth prospects at your club and doing this training schedule rather than loaning them out to leagues of low reputation eg, premier league team loaning 17-18yr old players to league 2 for example, or better to keep around own club due to better facilities, coaching and training schedule? Expand
I would rather keep them around, but make sure to also set the same training schedule for youth teams (and put to rest automatically). Giving them official match time helps a lot, but I would rather have good facilities, training schedule and coaches.
hestsko said: I usually just use Blue 4.0, not the solid one or green. It has very good results, even resulting in winning the Premier Leauge with Brighton. However, why is it that my goalkeeper barely can keep a clean sheet to save his life? No matter who i put in goal i always ends up conceding. Now i know i shouldn't complain as i am winning games but i find it pretty irritating conceding so many goals. I have tried switching to the more defensive tactics in games but still no change in the conceding areas. Zaz, what am i supposed to do? Is anyone else having these issues with their goalkeeper not being able to keep a clean sheet Expand
Blue is a very offensive tactic, but it can also be a bit leaky. That's why I recommend some defensive tactic together with Blue, like Solid or Green. Unfortunately, there is no tactic that does everything well, with the best attack and the best defense.
Sharpy said: hey @ZaZ , just a quick question regarding the training schedule. do you recommend keeping the same schedule if playing x2 games per week? Im noticing my players arent getting much training done in those weeks as a few of them end up resting in between games and missing training days, is this still fine? I also end up with Match Parctice falling on days pre and post match days, is this ok and just leave alone, or should i change it according to the schedule? Expand
It's fine, don't worry. The players that went to previous match will rest, but all others will train. It's better than setting schedules where everyone rests and have light training, including the ones that didn't play.
kvasir said: Could anyone please explain me why role rating doesn't matter? I have guy who is 86% rated as an Advanced Forward, but only 79% as a Fast Striker. Does it mean that someone who's rated 81% as a Fast Striker, but worse as an Advanced Forward will still perform better than my guy?
Another example - year 2026 in my Schalke save: Vestergaard (CB) = 77% positional rating // 86,3% role rating as BPD Katinic (CB) = 85,4% positional rating // 85,6% role rating as BPD
Who starts? Based on role rating Vestergaard is favourite by a small margin, but when looking at positional rating - bench warmer.
Why is the difference so big? Is there a thread from where I could understand this better? If not, could anyone ELI5 this please? Expand
Probably role rating considers the attributes from the role, which are not the best for performance. Meanwhile, position rating uses the filter, which is optimized. I would just ignore role rating and focus on position alone. The first defender in your pictures is clearly stronger than the second, by a large margin.
Gpassosbh said: Hello @ZaZ any more tests using your training? Its good for youth development? Expand
It is the best I found for development, and it definitely works well for youth. Since it's close to the release of new version, I stopped playing for a while to recharge my batteries for FM23.
I follow your tactic since FM 2021 and you have here one time more a very nice tactic!
I'm starting a new season and I'm using the combo Green 5.0 for start the matches and Blue 4.0 when the I need to score.
The positions roles in Green 5.0 for the striker and wingers are different from the Blue 4.0. Should I put my players train that positions roles? The majority of the time the players are performing on Green 5.0
Last season I was using Solid Blue + Blue 4.0 and the roles are the same so I did not have this doubt
Thanks in advance Expand
Thank you!
About what positions to train, I set one CM to train as SS and another to train as AF-At. The role they train is actually not very important to performance, at least in my tests. As long as they are at least accomplished, they will do well, and you should win more matches than you would if you only played Blue all season.
kvasir said: Is there any tweak that performs better than the 4.0, but isn't different enough to be tested?
edit: please don't interpret my question in a bad way. I'm grateful for this tactic as I don't have the time to create and tweak my own. Expand
It's hard to tell if a tactic that wasn't tested is better. There are different testing sites, and some people that also do tests, and each configuration of tests can lead to slightly different results. In my personal tests, Blue 4.0 and Green 5.0 give me the best results.
Rhumble said: Thanks Do you use the attributes based on the ones in the ykykyk05251 ratings so for example to look for a striker the first 5 highest attributes are Acceleration, finishing, dribbling, pace, technique.
another question, are the results of the ykykyykbalanced and ykykyky05251 only different because of the weightings in genie scout ,, i think they are the same attribute values but they give different % results Expand
About the first question, yes, I look at the highest attributes in that table. About the second question, I don't know what is the balanced version you are talking about. If it is the one from @Mark, then they serve different purposes. One is for the attributes that affect performance the most, ignoring CA and PA. Mark's, on the other hand, considers how a player would be once their attributes stop growing (when they reach their peak).
Hiki danjo said: Hi @ZaZ, Please tell me your pre-season training schedules. If possible, can you give me some pictures about your training schedules in some months? Thanks you so much. Expand
I'm using the same training schedule for the whole season, including pre-season. I made it to be useful in both situations.
Rhumble said: Is it better to buy players using the highest positional percentage using xyxyxy balanced rating in genie scout or taking the attributes in the rating part and trying to get the best attributes for those over 50 , most positions tend to have between 8 and 10 attributes.to pick the strongest eleven and to buy players. So is a score of 85% for a DM for example in genie scout worth more than a player with 13 and 14 in the attributes Expand
I usually only look at the 3-5 most important attributes, as long as the player doesn't have 1 in everything else.
As long as they are contributing in other ways, it is fine. What matters is how many goals your team is scoring, and not exactly how many each position is scoring individually. To be short about it, players with high passing, crossing, vision and other creative attributes will often do more assisting than scoring, because actions with higher chance of success usually have priority in the match engine. That does not mean they are playing bad, and having a winger that scores more goals does not mean your team would perform better as a whole.
Would you swap some physical for resistance?
The resting settings of his tests are default. About Physical for Resistance, the results are the same for growth, and the gain in condition is too small, so I prefer to keep Physical for clarity (Resistance seems more of a bug, because the description doesn't match). Keep in mind that I am not saying his results are bad, it's just that he didn't consider automatic resting in his experiments.
It's in the second paragraph of the previous message.
This guy here made a very in-depth study on training sessions that corroborate my results. However, he didn't use automatic rest for players below excellent condition ( "no pitch or gym training" ), which forced him to add several resting sessions in his schedule. I believe my schedule gives better results and is more convenient (it can be used during the entire season, even during pre-season and no matter how many matches you have per week).
Also any recommendations when you get a man sent off?
In the situation you described, I would stick to Blue and give some shouts to player. I would change to Green if I was the one winning, though. In short, I use Blue when I need to score, and Green when I want to play safe.
About red cards, remove a striker (or maybe a winger).
Are these loaded automatically with the tactic?
Thank you!
Yeah, they are loaded automatically with the tactic. Keep in mind that goals from set pieces can change from season to season, and it can also be affected by the characteristics of your players. For example, I had seasons where I scored as many as 30 goals from corners, while in others I scored barely 10.
I would rather keep them around, but make sure to also set the same training schedule for youth teams (and put to rest automatically). Giving them official match time helps a lot, but I would rather have good facilities, training schedule and coaches.
Blue is a very offensive tactic, but it can also be a bit leaky. That's why I recommend some defensive tactic together with Blue, like Solid or Green. Unfortunately, there is no tactic that does everything well, with the best attack and the best defense.
Sharpy said: hey @ZaZ , just a quick question regarding the training schedule. do you recommend keeping the same schedule if playing x2 games per week? Im noticing my players arent getting much training done in those weeks as a few of them end up resting in between games and missing training days, is this still fine? I also end up with Match Parctice falling on days pre and post match days, is this ok and just leave alone, or should i change it according to the schedule?
It's fine, don't worry. The players that went to previous match will rest, but all others will train. It's better than setting schedules where everyone rests and have light training, including the ones that didn't play.
Sorry, but I don't understand your question. What do you mean with back?
I have guy who is 86% rated as an Advanced Forward, but only 79% as a Fast Striker.
Does it mean that someone who's rated 81% as a Fast Striker, but worse as an Advanced Forward will still perform better than my guy?
Another example - year 2026 in my Schalke save:
Vestergaard (CB) = 77% positional rating // 86,3% role rating as BPD
Katinic (CB) = 85,4% positional rating // 85,6% role rating as BPD
Who starts? Based on role rating Vestergaard is favourite by a small margin, but when looking at positional rating - bench warmer.
Why is the difference so big? Is there a thread from where I could understand this better? If not, could anyone ELI5 this please?
Probably role rating considers the attributes from the role, which are not the best for performance. Meanwhile, position rating uses the filter, which is optimized. I would just ignore role rating and focus on position alone. The first defender in your pictures is clearly stronger than the second, by a large margin.
It is the best I found for development, and it definitely works well for youth. Since it's close to the release of new version, I stopped playing for a while to recharge my batteries for FM23.
You can use Genie Scout, or the table in "Important Attributes".
Click Tactic Source, then you will see.
I follow your tactic since FM 2021 and you have here one time more a very nice tactic!
I'm starting a new season and I'm using the combo Green 5.0 for start the matches and Blue 4.0 when the I need to score.
The positions roles in Green 5.0 for the striker and wingers are different from the Blue 4.0. Should I put my players train that positions roles? The majority of the time the players are performing on Green 5.0
Last season I was using Solid Blue + Blue 4.0 and the roles are the same so I did not have this doubt
Thanks in advance
Thank you!
About what positions to train, I set one CM to train as SS and another to train as AF-At. The role they train is actually not very important to performance, at least in my tests. As long as they are at least accomplished, they will do well, and you should win more matches than you would if you only played Blue all season.
edit: please don't interpret my question in a bad way. I'm grateful for this tactic as I don't have the time to create and tweak my own.
It's hard to tell if a tactic that wasn't tested is better. There are different testing sites, and some people that also do tests, and each configuration of tests can lead to slightly different results. In my personal tests, Blue 4.0 and Green 5.0 give me the best results.
Do you use the attributes based on the ones in the ykykyk05251 ratings so for example to look for a striker the first 5 highest attributes are Acceleration, finishing, dribbling, pace, technique.
another question, are the results of the ykykyykbalanced and ykykyky05251 only different because of the weightings in genie scout ,, i think they are the same attribute values but they give different % results
About the first question, yes, I look at the highest attributes in that table. About the second question, I don't know what is the balanced version you are talking about. If it is the one from @Mark, then they serve different purposes. One is for the attributes that affect performance the most, ignoring CA and PA. Mark's, on the other hand, considers how a player would be once their attributes stop growing (when they reach their peak).
Click "Tactic Source", then you will see the download link.
I'm using the same training schedule for the whole season, including pre-season. I made it to be useful in both situations.
Rhumble said: Is it better to buy players using the highest positional percentage using xyxyxy balanced rating in genie scout or taking the attributes in the rating part and trying to get the best attributes for those over 50 , most positions tend to have between 8 and 10 attributes.to pick the strongest eleven and to buy players.
So is a score of 85% for a DM for example in genie scout worth more than a player with 13 and 14 in the attributes
I usually only look at the 3-5 most important attributes, as long as the player doesn't have 1 in everything else.