kvasir said: In terms of attribute growth is definitely better than what I was previously using - the training pack from BusttheNet. I had numerous cases when a certain attribute went up by 2 in 12 months or less. It works very well for the U18 squad as well.
When it comes to injuries, I am really not sure what has more impact - the training itself or the fact that they get rest days. I'd bet on the second one. Anyway, the difference is huge. I barely have any long term injuries. Before giving them rest days, as you suggested, the second part of the season used to be filled with injuries (and not short ones). Since using your advice, those don't exist anymore. One thing I noticed though, there definitely are more 1-2 days injuries from training - a small price to pay for the physical oriented programme I guess. Expand
Thank you for the feedback! People don't give me much input about the training routine, only about the tactic, so it's good to hear it's working as intended. Having only my results and experiments can lead to biased opinions, so it's good to hear from other people as well.
kvasir said: I found a Fast Striker who was 73% rated at 19, but had 91% FS potential. His Probability of Development was 31%.
Two years later, after playing him 90% of the matches and using ZaZ's training, he is 83% rated and with a PoD of 45%. What I make of this is that if I keep playing him and take good care of him he will be able to achieve his 91% FS potential.
Probability of Development is not fixed. It is inversely proportional to the discrepancy between the current % rating and the potential one. It is also influenced by age. Meaning the older the player is, the smaller the PoD is; the bigger the difference between the current rating and the potential one, the smaller is the PoD. Expand
Any feedback about the training routine? How did it feel about attribute growth and injuries, was it better or worse than other schedules you used before? (Just trying to get some input, sorry for going off topic.)
GROSDINGO said: I just noticed that when I go on vacation, the tactics change and default when I consult the composition of the matches. Which is therefore not the zaz blue tactic... I don't understand how to make the tactic remain the zaz blue once you go on vacation? Expand
When you go on vacations, there is a checkbox to use the selected tactic.
GROSDINGO said: i just tried with the wolverhampton and i am 18 iem from the premier league, i simulate the matches i don't know if it changes anything or not but for me the tactic does not work Expand
plus30 said: the only place I don't understand is the general ratings or the positional ratings, which one should I look at Expand
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, general rating looks only at attributes, while positional rating considers the familiarity to that position. For example, a Striker that has good attributes for central midfield would show good general rating for that position, but low positional rating, since it is untrained.
keithb said: Many thanks for your reply. Yes some good points you make - it also means your players train when they should, whereas people with perfect condition could be resting on his schedule. Match practise is such a good session and I see you have moved it in a previous post so it doesn't get changed for the games on Wednesday. Expand
Just to make it clear, I used his results as a base to do my own experiments, which reached that training routine. Credits to him, because I just couldn't test all sessions myself. It was his results that allowed me to test only the most promising options instead, narrowing the experiments.
sangarios said: hey @ZaZ, thank you for making our miserable careers a success story with your tactics u r the best. i need an advice from you, with what tactic would you play if u have to play all season with instant result?(btw my team is weaker than the most of the teams in league) and are there things that makes playing with insant result more efficient? Expand
Sorry, but I don't know the difference in match engine from normal mode to instant result, so I leave this question for people that have this knowledge. I don't think there should be any real difference, so you can probably just pick the tactics on the table with highest win rate. If it was me, I would use Green 5.0 against those stronger teams.
JohnBoy1993 said: Anyone got any advice on the Wingers? Struggling for goals from them but getting plenty of assists. Expand
As long as they are contributing in other ways, it is fine. What matters is how many goals your team is scoring, and not exactly how many each position is scoring individually. To be short about it, players with high passing, crossing, vision and other creative attributes will often do more assisting than scoring, because actions with higher chance of success usually have priority in the match engine. That does not mean they are playing bad, and having a winger that scores more goals does not mean your team would perform better as a whole.
keithb said: Interesting stuff!! I didn't see his rest settings? Did he show them?
Would you swap some physical for resistance? Expand
The resting settings of his tests are default. About Physical for Resistance, the results are the same for growth, and the gain in condition is too small, so I prefer to keep Physical for clarity (Resistance seems more of a bug, because the description doesn't match). Keep in mind that I am not saying his results are bad, it's just that he didn't consider automatic resting in his experiments.
I have updated the training schedule with a slight change (match practice day changed from Tuesday to Monday). The reason for the change is because some away matches on Wednesday were overriding the Match Practice session, and I prefer that it overrides a Physical session instead.
This guy here made a very in-depth study on training sessions that corroborate my results. However, he didn't use automatic rest for players below excellent condition ( "no pitch or gym training" ), which forced him to add several resting sessions in his schedule. I believe my schedule gives better results and is more convenient (it can be used during the entire season, even during pre-season and no matter how many matches you have per week).
Just to be clear, FM-Arena's table is a very good approximation of the impact of each attribute on performance. For those that seek a simpler way to estimate a player's ability, it's way easier to just pick two or three attributes of that table and go for it, you will still overachieve a lot doing that.
Samscott83 said: Really enjoying the tactic and it's working! Just a couple of Qs. When you start with Blue 4.0 and you go 1-0 down (thankfully nit happened much) do you recommend just sticking with Blue or transitioning to green even though it is more defensive?
Also any recommendations when you get a man sent off? Expand
In the situation you described, I would stick to Blue and give some shouts to player. I would change to Green if I was the one winning, though. In short, I use Blue when I need to score, and Green when I want to play safe.
About red cards, remove a striker (or maybe a winger).
kvasir said: Do you guys score a lot from set pieces? I feel like my team isn't scoring as much as it should. The board itself is unhappy with the fact that I am not making the most out of set pieces.
Are these loaded automatically with the tactic?
Thank you! Expand
Yeah, they are loaded automatically with the tactic. Keep in mind that goals from set pieces can change from season to season, and it can also be affected by the characteristics of your players. For example, I had seasons where I scored as many as 30 goals from corners, while in others I scored barely 10.
Sharpy said: thanks @ZaZ . with the effectiveness of this new training schedule, does it benefit you more in terms of player development, to keep youth prospects at your club and doing this training schedule rather than loaning them out to leagues of low reputation eg, premier league team loaning 17-18yr old players to league 2 for example, or better to keep around own club due to better facilities, coaching and training schedule? Expand
I would rather keep them around, but make sure to also set the same training schedule for youth teams (and put to rest automatically). Giving them official match time helps a lot, but I would rather have good facilities, training schedule and coaches.
hestsko said: I usually just use Blue 4.0, not the solid one or green. It has very good results, even resulting in winning the Premier Leauge with Brighton. However, why is it that my goalkeeper barely can keep a clean sheet to save his life? No matter who i put in goal i always ends up conceding. Now i know i shouldn't complain as i am winning games but i find it pretty irritating conceding so many goals. I have tried switching to the more defensive tactics in games but still no change in the conceding areas. Zaz, what am i supposed to do? Is anyone else having these issues with their goalkeeper not being able to keep a clean sheet Expand
Blue is a very offensive tactic, but it can also be a bit leaky. That's why I recommend some defensive tactic together with Blue, like Solid or Green. Unfortunately, there is no tactic that does everything well, with the best attack and the best defense.
Sharpy said: hey @ZaZ , just a quick question regarding the training schedule. do you recommend keeping the same schedule if playing x2 games per week? Im noticing my players arent getting much training done in those weeks as a few of them end up resting in between games and missing training days, is this still fine? I also end up with Match Parctice falling on days pre and post match days, is this ok and just leave alone, or should i change it according to the schedule? Expand
It's fine, don't worry. The players that went to previous match will rest, but all others will train. It's better than setting schedules where everyone rests and have light training, including the ones that didn't play.
When it comes to injuries, I am really not sure what has more impact - the training itself or the fact that they get rest days. I'd bet on the second one. Anyway, the difference is huge. I barely have any long term injuries. Before giving them rest days, as you suggested, the second part of the season used to be filled with injuries (and not short ones). Since using your advice, those don't exist anymore. One thing I noticed though, there definitely are more 1-2 days injuries from training - a small price to pay for the physical oriented programme I guess.
Thank you for the feedback! People don't give me much input about the training routine, only about the tactic, so it's good to hear it's working as intended. Having only my results and experiments can lead to biased opinions, so it's good to hear from other people as well.
Two years later, after playing him 90% of the matches and using ZaZ's training, he is 83% rated and with a PoD of 45%. What I make of this is that if I keep playing him and take good care of him he will be able to achieve his 91% FS potential.
Probability of Development is not fixed. It is inversely proportional to the discrepancy between the current % rating and the potential one. It is also influenced by age. Meaning the older the player is, the smaller the PoD is; the bigger the difference between the current rating and the potential one, the smaller is the PoD.
Any feedback about the training routine? How did it feel about attribute growth and injuries, was it better or worse than other schedules you used before? (Just trying to get some input, sorry for going off topic.)
oh yes sorry i didn't see that , thank you a lot
It's in the confirmation before going out on vacations, it's impossible to miss it.
When you go on vacations, there is a checkbox to use the selected tactic.
Did you try the instructions in the first post of Blue? Else, check this post here:
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1076-my-tactic-doesn-t-work-help-me-please/
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, general rating looks only at attributes, while positional rating considers the familiarity to that position. For example, a Striker that has good attributes for central midfield would show good general rating for that position, but low positional rating, since it is untrained.
Just to make it clear, I used his results as a base to do my own experiments, which reached that training routine. Credits to him, because I just couldn't test all sessions myself. It was his results that allowed me to test only the most promising options instead, narrowing the experiments.
i need an advice from you, with what tactic would you play if u have to play all season with instant result?(btw my team is weaker than the most of the teams in league) and are there things that makes playing with insant result more efficient?
Sorry, but I don't know the difference in match engine from normal mode to instant result, so I leave this question for people that have this knowledge. I don't think there should be any real difference, so you can probably just pick the tactics on the table with highest win rate. If it was me, I would use Green 5.0 against those stronger teams.
So, you are implying that tactics with low possession are not realistic? What kind of league do you watch?
Which tactic has the best ball possession?
This one, from @Geek has good possession and very good win rate.
https://fm-arena.com/tactic/2674-positive-tiki-taka-cms-attack/
As long as they are contributing in other ways, it is fine. What matters is how many goals your team is scoring, and not exactly how many each position is scoring individually. To be short about it, players with high passing, crossing, vision and other creative attributes will often do more assisting than scoring, because actions with higher chance of success usually have priority in the match engine. That does not mean they are playing bad, and having a winger that scores more goals does not mean your team would perform better as a whole.
Would you swap some physical for resistance?
The resting settings of his tests are default. About Physical for Resistance, the results are the same for growth, and the gain in condition is too small, so I prefer to keep Physical for clarity (Resistance seems more of a bug, because the description doesn't match). Keep in mind that I am not saying his results are bad, it's just that he didn't consider automatic resting in his experiments.
It's in the second paragraph of the previous message.
This guy here made a very in-depth study on training sessions that corroborate my results. However, he didn't use automatic rest for players below excellent condition ( "no pitch or gym training" ), which forced him to add several resting sessions in his schedule. I believe my schedule gives better results and is more convenient (it can be used during the entire season, even during pre-season and no matter how many matches you have per week).
Also any recommendations when you get a man sent off?
In the situation you described, I would stick to Blue and give some shouts to player. I would change to Green if I was the one winning, though. In short, I use Blue when I need to score, and Green when I want to play safe.
About red cards, remove a striker (or maybe a winger).
Are these loaded automatically with the tactic?
Thank you!
Yeah, they are loaded automatically with the tactic. Keep in mind that goals from set pieces can change from season to season, and it can also be affected by the characteristics of your players. For example, I had seasons where I scored as many as 30 goals from corners, while in others I scored barely 10.
I would rather keep them around, but make sure to also set the same training schedule for youth teams (and put to rest automatically). Giving them official match time helps a lot, but I would rather have good facilities, training schedule and coaches.
Blue is a very offensive tactic, but it can also be a bit leaky. That's why I recommend some defensive tactic together with Blue, like Solid or Green. Unfortunately, there is no tactic that does everything well, with the best attack and the best defense.
Sharpy said: hey @ZaZ , just a quick question regarding the training schedule. do you recommend keeping the same schedule if playing x2 games per week? Im noticing my players arent getting much training done in those weeks as a few of them end up resting in between games and missing training days, is this still fine? I also end up with Match Parctice falling on days pre and post match days, is this ok and just leave alone, or should i change it according to the schedule?
It's fine, don't worry. The players that went to previous match will rest, but all others will train. It's better than setting schedules where everyone rests and have light training, including the ones that didn't play.
Sorry, but I don't understand your question. What do you mean with back?