I have added a new piece of information to the first post: "Use Focus Play Down the Left/Right whenever you have an advantage on that side, (when your opponent has a weakness on that side, or when one of your flanks is clearly stronger than the other). Do not bother with Focus Play Through The Middle, as it does not give any benefit even when your opponent has a weak midfield."
Footballenjoyer said: Just want to say it's really cool and thank you for sharing even though its been months.
Its really too bad the test was done with IWBs instead of WBs... or other roles in other position that are very different that the roles tested, would have been interesting to find out how much the weight changes. Expand
I wish there were more people that could do this kind of test. FM-Arena does an awesome job already, and some other people like @Mark and Evidence Based FM also give nice contribution. However, not everyone has the resources (either time or a free computer) to do those experiments, so we have to live with what we have.
Then it should work. No idea why it's going so bad for you. I mean, even playing without goalkeeper, it should be pretty hard for Aston Villa to end the league on 19th.
Do you have any tips for keeping match load/fatigue down? I'm using you rest recommendations and your training but my players are getting injured because the match load is Heavy. I am playing 2 matches a week and rotating every player but the match load, fatigue and injury risk is always high Expand
Match load is influenced only by matches in the previous two weeks (or something like that). It is not affected by training or resting. That means if your match load is heavy, then you either have to rotate more, or live with it. It's normal to happen around the middle of the season, when you have multiple tournaments to play.
Middleweight165 said: Thanks for the reply. So as long as there positional circle indicator is at least dark green I'm ok? I read in another of your replies, you train your CMs in AM and ST, is that simply to get the positional rating to dark green? If the players are already green in both positions is it irrelevant which position they train in? Expand
Yeah, I train to get the position rating, because that has high influence on performance. Dark green is good enough to play matches without hindering the team but becoming natural (light green) will increase performance further.
Middleweight165 said: @ZaZ why do you say the effect of tactical familiarity for pos/role/duty is minimal? Doesn't it lower the effectiveness of the tactic? Expand
In my experiments, there was barely any change on win rate when training players in different positions. I tested with wingbacks and wingers in opposite sides, and two CMs training as AM and ST. I also didn't notice any difference in performance for those players training in different position. It is also easier to build a squad when you don't need to worry about what side your winger or wingback plays. The main advantage, however, is that Green is better than Solid Blue, allowing you to use two very strong tactics for different situations.
Mine is better. The author of those videos (which is a very nice guy) didn't consider automatic resting, so he has lots of "idle" training to make it practical during a normal season. If he considered automatic resting, then it would probably be very similar to mine. Automatic resting allows players that didn't participate in the match to keep training, which is obviously ideal.
To be clear, my training schedule is inspired by his results, so he deserves credits for that. I just picked the best sessions of his results and made further experiments based on that. In other words, he narrowed what I had to test, since it would be impossible for me to test everything.
GROSDINGO said: I think no, I just load the tactics and place the players a the good position and then i go in vacation ... The are others step to stet the tactics? Expand
You need to mark the option to use current match tactics. Also, the assistant manager will only pick the team you chose if you mark the option below, to use current team selection when possible.
kvasir said: In terms of attribute growth is definitely better than what I was previously using - the training pack from BusttheNet. I had numerous cases when a certain attribute went up by 2 in 12 months or less. It works very well for the U18 squad as well.
When it comes to injuries, I am really not sure what has more impact - the training itself or the fact that they get rest days. I'd bet on the second one. Anyway, the difference is huge. I barely have any long term injuries. Before giving them rest days, as you suggested, the second part of the season used to be filled with injuries (and not short ones). Since using your advice, those don't exist anymore. One thing I noticed though, there definitely are more 1-2 days injuries from training - a small price to pay for the physical oriented programme I guess. Expand
Thank you for the feedback! People don't give me much input about the training routine, only about the tactic, so it's good to hear it's working as intended. Having only my results and experiments can lead to biased opinions, so it's good to hear from other people as well.
kvasir said: I found a Fast Striker who was 73% rated at 19, but had 91% FS potential. His Probability of Development was 31%.
Two years later, after playing him 90% of the matches and using ZaZ's training, he is 83% rated and with a PoD of 45%. What I make of this is that if I keep playing him and take good care of him he will be able to achieve his 91% FS potential.
Probability of Development is not fixed. It is inversely proportional to the discrepancy between the current % rating and the potential one. It is also influenced by age. Meaning the older the player is, the smaller the PoD is; the bigger the difference between the current rating and the potential one, the smaller is the PoD. Expand
Any feedback about the training routine? How did it feel about attribute growth and injuries, was it better or worse than other schedules you used before? (Just trying to get some input, sorry for going off topic.)
GROSDINGO said: I just noticed that when I go on vacation, the tactics change and default when I consult the composition of the matches. Which is therefore not the zaz blue tactic... I don't understand how to make the tactic remain the zaz blue once you go on vacation? Expand
When you go on vacations, there is a checkbox to use the selected tactic.
GROSDINGO said: i just tried with the wolverhampton and i am 18 iem from the premier league, i simulate the matches i don't know if it changes anything or not but for me the tactic does not work Expand
plus30 said: the only place I don't understand is the general ratings or the positional ratings, which one should I look at Expand
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, general rating looks only at attributes, while positional rating considers the familiarity to that position. For example, a Striker that has good attributes for central midfield would show good general rating for that position, but low positional rating, since it is untrained.
keithb said: Many thanks for your reply. Yes some good points you make - it also means your players train when they should, whereas people with perfect condition could be resting on his schedule. Match practise is such a good session and I see you have moved it in a previous post so it doesn't get changed for the games on Wednesday. Expand
Just to make it clear, I used his results as a base to do my own experiments, which reached that training routine. Credits to him, because I just couldn't test all sessions myself. It was his results that allowed me to test only the most promising options instead, narrowing the experiments.
sangarios said: hey @ZaZ, thank you for making our miserable careers a success story with your tactics u r the best. i need an advice from you, with what tactic would you play if u have to play all season with instant result?(btw my team is weaker than the most of the teams in league) and are there things that makes playing with insant result more efficient? Expand
Sorry, but I don't know the difference in match engine from normal mode to instant result, so I leave this question for people that have this knowledge. I don't think there should be any real difference, so you can probably just pick the tactics on the table with highest win rate. If it was me, I would use Green 5.0 against those stronger teams.
"Use Focus Play Down the Left/Right whenever you have an advantage on that side, (when your opponent has a weakness on that side, or when one of your flanks is clearly stronger than the other). Do not bother with Focus Play Through The Middle, as it does not give any benefit even when your opponent has a weak midfield."
Its really too bad the test was done with IWBs instead of WBs... or other roles in other position that are very different that the roles tested, would have been interesting to find out how much the weight changes.
I wish there were more people that could do this kind of test. FM-Arena does an awesome job already, and some other people like @Mark and Evidence Based FM also give nice contribution. However, not everyone has the resources (either time or a free computer) to do those experiments, so we have to live with what we have.
Then it should work. No idea why it's going so bad for you. I mean, even playing without goalkeeper, it should be pretty hard for Aston Villa to end the league on 19th.
Do you have any tips for keeping match load/fatigue down? I'm using you rest recommendations and your training but my players are getting injured because the match load is Heavy. I am playing 2 matches a week and rotating every player but the match load, fatigue and injury risk is always high
Match load is influenced only by matches in the previous two weeks (or something like that). It is not affected by training or resting. That means if your match load is heavy, then you either have to rotate more, or live with it. It's normal to happen around the middle of the season, when you have multiple tournaments to play.
Yeah, I train to get the position rating, because that has high influence on performance. Dark green is good enough to play matches without hindering the team but becoming natural (light green) will increase performance further.
In my experiments, there was barely any change on win rate when training players in different positions. I tested with wingbacks and wingers in opposite sides, and two CMs training as AM and ST. I also didn't notice any difference in performance for those players training in different position. It is also easier to build a squad when you don't need to worry about what side your winger or wingback plays. The main advantage, however, is that Green is better than Solid Blue, allowing you to use two very strong tactics for different situations.
Mine is better. The author of those videos (which is a very nice guy) didn't consider automatic resting, so he has lots of "idle" training to make it practical during a normal season. If he considered automatic resting, then it would probably be very similar to mine. Automatic resting allows players that didn't participate in the match to keep training, which is obviously ideal.
To be clear, my training schedule is inspired by his results, so he deserves credits for that. I just picked the best sessions of his results and made further experiments based on that. In other words, he narrowed what I had to test, since it would be impossible for me to test everything.
You need to mark the option to use current match tactics. Also, the assistant manager will only pick the team you chose if you mark the option below, to use current team selection when possible.
There is probably something wrong with the way you are setting the tactic and going on vacation.
When it comes to injuries, I am really not sure what has more impact - the training itself or the fact that they get rest days. I'd bet on the second one. Anyway, the difference is huge. I barely have any long term injuries. Before giving them rest days, as you suggested, the second part of the season used to be filled with injuries (and not short ones). Since using your advice, those don't exist anymore. One thing I noticed though, there definitely are more 1-2 days injuries from training - a small price to pay for the physical oriented programme I guess.
Thank you for the feedback! People don't give me much input about the training routine, only about the tactic, so it's good to hear it's working as intended. Having only my results and experiments can lead to biased opinions, so it's good to hear from other people as well.
Two years later, after playing him 90% of the matches and using ZaZ's training, he is 83% rated and with a PoD of 45%. What I make of this is that if I keep playing him and take good care of him he will be able to achieve his 91% FS potential.
Probability of Development is not fixed. It is inversely proportional to the discrepancy between the current % rating and the potential one. It is also influenced by age. Meaning the older the player is, the smaller the PoD is; the bigger the difference between the current rating and the potential one, the smaller is the PoD.
Any feedback about the training routine? How did it feel about attribute growth and injuries, was it better or worse than other schedules you used before? (Just trying to get some input, sorry for going off topic.)
oh yes sorry i didn't see that , thank you a lot
It's in the confirmation before going out on vacations, it's impossible to miss it.
When you go on vacations, there is a checkbox to use the selected tactic.
Did you try the instructions in the first post of Blue? Else, check this post here:
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1076-my-tactic-doesn-t-work-help-me-please/
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, general rating looks only at attributes, while positional rating considers the familiarity to that position. For example, a Striker that has good attributes for central midfield would show good general rating for that position, but low positional rating, since it is untrained.
Just to make it clear, I used his results as a base to do my own experiments, which reached that training routine. Credits to him, because I just couldn't test all sessions myself. It was his results that allowed me to test only the most promising options instead, narrowing the experiments.
i need an advice from you, with what tactic would you play if u have to play all season with instant result?(btw my team is weaker than the most of the teams in league) and are there things that makes playing with insant result more efficient?
Sorry, but I don't know the difference in match engine from normal mode to instant result, so I leave this question for people that have this knowledge. I don't think there should be any real difference, so you can probably just pick the tactics on the table with highest win rate. If it was me, I would use Green 5.0 against those stronger teams.
So, you are implying that tactics with low possession are not realistic? What kind of league do you watch?
Which tactic has the best ball possession?
This one, from @Geek has good possession and very good win rate.
https://fm-arena.com/tactic/2674-positive-tiki-taka-cms-attack/