ta2199 said: Idk but personally I felt like losing is a way for me to keep playing the game. You wouldn't want to keep winning and winning over and over again cause It will be very boring. Expand
Sorry my reply wasn't directed at your response it was towards LPCrooks comments
Another way to do it is to take the most important attributes for each position you are using and find the average and best for those attributes in the league you are playing. The filter average as a minimum but look for the higher end if you can afford it, especially for the attribute with the most impact.
I hope this helps Expand
Thanks Mark, I know I've asked you the question before and I implemented your GS ratings, but I think I must've done it wrong as Ousmane Dembele was the 2nd best player on the game and me being lazy just gave up and reverted back to the normal GS ratings.
If I may ask you, if you wouldnt mind telling me what attributes you'd look for in say an advanced forward, would you implement any of the key attributes for that role or would you just use the "important attributes"?
In my opinion, what you're experiencing is normal. You can't compare a tactic from FM13 to a tactic from this year. The ME is different. Gone are the days of plug and play tactics. Micro management from game to game is key. Reputation plays a key role in the game nowadays.
1st season you smashed it using the tactic, your teams reputation no doubt jumped up significantly, this in turn means teams will be more cautious against you, even the elite teams would become more cautious of you. I get it you improved the team but you've also got to make smart changes to the tactic. If your reputation is high then the likelihood is that teams will sit and defend narrow against you, restricting the space, maybe play a little wider to pull them out of position. reduce your line of engagement, allowing defenders to come out with the ball, leaving space for you to exploit if you win the ball back.
Now I know you're an experienced FMer like myself (been playing since CM 01/02) but the game has changed massively since the plug and play days, only factor that can make tactic's consistent is us
pgsonline said: Still enjoying this one. Really nice to have a tactic with 2 strikers. Still find some annoyance with wide players running into dead ends - but they do assist and score, so hardly a big gripe.
Testing my Croatian team in the Champions League now - so stronger competition. Firstly played Real Madrid in the Super Cup. They had a 32 year old Mbappe (still amazing). Turned them over 4-0. Lost against Leverkusen in Cl group stage, but also beat Galatasary 3-0 away and Arsenal 4-1 at home.
So sitting pretty on 6 points after 3 games. Hope to keep building the rep so I can bring in some better class players. Expand
Glad you're still having fun with it, I was looking at potentially changing the wide players to wingers but I think someone has already released something similar using wingers
Not much difference between v2 and v3, this one is the same but BPD instead of CB. Wasn't bashing him, was just highlighting that a wave variant with the same shape had already been done
Just added a tweaked version of the tweaked version
Main change is DW role is now WM. Ran a test with 3 teams, Liverpool, PSG and Villa. AM in charge of team selection and training. Goals galore with not much difference in the defence.
Liverpool won the treble 154 goals scored with Salah scoring 67. Some ridiculous results in terms of goals
PSG won a double 174 league goals scored with only 14 conceded (I know, I know its PSG) Mbappe top scored with 69. Check out some of the results!!!
Villa finished 3rd 90 goals scored (best in league) only 38 conceded (4th best) Watkins top scored with 30
pgsonline said: I've been managing in the Croatian top flight for a few years now. I was an underdog, but am now the top rated team there. However, there is no league or cup money and it is hard to attract big names. Therefore doing well in Europe is important.
I've tried many tactics and they are great domestically, but can't cope with the leap to European major clubs. This season, after finishing third in the Champions League group stages, I decided to switch it up. I played with this formation on FM19 and enjoyed it - but I had a big club then, I was unsure how it would cope with a team with less ability.
In all, I played 17 games (to the end of the season). It went unbeaten. I won the domestic cup 5-1 against my biggest rivals. But in the Europa League it surprised me. Took down PSV 7-2 over 2 legs, then Porto 9-2. Final against Atletico Madrid. A team on paper who are way better than us. We won 4-1.
This comes with a caveat that it does seem to offer up chances to your opponent, but we made plenty of good tackles, blocks and saves. The AMC floats in out of games and the wide players still have the urge to run into corners and not get enough good balls in. But, it scores nice goals, plays some nice footy and can clearly push a teams performances. Whether it will cope when it comes to playing Barcelona, Liverpool, Juve etc, I don't know. Whether my players just suited the roles and were starting to hit new levels anyway, perhaps. But it has pushed my team to a new level and added a new spark to the save.
Great stuff - I'm enjoying it. Expand
Thanks for the great feedback, I agree there are some aspects of the tactic that can be improved and it is something I am looking at the moment
GlynnLFC said: I have just this very moment finished the German Super cup, i blitzed Bayern M 5-0!!! 3 goals from the strikers, 2 from the AMC...i better get shopping for some strikers haha! Brill tactic so far, next time im in Bolton i`ll buy you a pint haha. Expand
Zippo said: If you changed something then it isn't a copy and it's something different and it's enough to put your name on the side of it.
My opinion, you played it fair, you said that this tactic isn't entirely yours and it's a tweak. Also, you said what changes you made so people can evaluate the contribution you made. Expand
Ok mate, cheers, are you ok to edit the author please?
Sorry my reply wasn't directed at your response it was towards LPCrooks comments
https://fm-arena.com/find-comment/5071/
Another way to do it is to take the most important attributes for each position you are using and find the average and best for those attributes in the league you are playing. The filter average as a minimum but look for the higher end if you can afford it, especially for the attribute with the most impact.
I hope this helps
Thanks Mark, I know I've asked you the question before and I implemented your GS ratings, but I think I must've done it wrong as Ousmane Dembele was the 2nd best player on the game and me being lazy just gave up and reverted back to the normal GS ratings.
If I may ask you, if you wouldnt mind telling me what attributes you'd look for in say an advanced forward, would you implement any of the key attributes for that role or would you just use the "important attributes"?
1st season you smashed it using the tactic, your teams reputation no doubt jumped up significantly, this in turn means teams will be more cautious against you, even the elite teams would become more cautious of you. I get it you improved the team but you've also got to make smart changes to the tactic. If your reputation is high then the likelihood is that teams will sit and defend narrow against you, restricting the space, maybe play a little wider to pull them out of position. reduce your line of engagement, allowing defenders to come out with the ball, leaving space for you to exploit if you win the ball back.
Now I know you're an experienced FMer like myself (been playing since CM 01/02) but the game has changed massively since the plug and play days, only factor that can make tactic's consistent is us
What do you do in terms of attributes filters please?
Testing my Croatian team in the Champions League now - so stronger competition. Firstly played Real Madrid in the Super Cup. They had a 32 year old Mbappe (still amazing). Turned them over 4-0. Lost against Leverkusen in Cl group stage, but also beat Galatasary 3-0 away and Arsenal 4-1 at home.
So sitting pretty on 6 points after 3 games. Hope to keep building the rep so I can bring in some better class players.
Glad you're still having fun with it, I was looking at potentially changing the wide players to wingers but I think someone has already released something similar using wingers
Not much difference between v2 and v3, this one is the same but BPD instead of CB. Wasn't bashing him, was just highlighting that a wave variant with the same shape had already been done
Thanks mate, appreciate the kind words
130 goals scored in the league with Lyle Taylor scoring 44 goals. Conceding 42
110 goals scored in the league, Haaland responsible for 54 of those. 28 conceded
Main change is DW role is now WM. Ran a test with 3 teams, Liverpool, PSG and Villa. AM in charge of team selection and training. Goals galore with not much difference in the defence.
Liverpool won the treble
154 goals scored with Salah scoring 67. Some ridiculous results in terms of goals
PSG won a double
174 league goals scored with only 14 conceded (I know, I know its PSG) Mbappe top scored with 69. Check out some of the results!!!
Villa finished 3rd
90 goals scored (best in league) only 38 conceded (4th best) Watkins top scored with 30
I've tried many tactics and they are great domestically, but can't cope with the leap to European major clubs. This season, after finishing third in the Champions League group stages, I decided to switch it up. I played with this formation on FM19 and enjoyed it - but I had a big club then, I was unsure how it would cope with a team with less ability.
In all, I played 17 games (to the end of the season). It went unbeaten. I won the domestic cup 5-1 against my biggest rivals. But in the Europa League it surprised me. Took down PSV 7-2 over 2 legs, then Porto 9-2. Final against Atletico Madrid. A team on paper who are way better than us. We won 4-1.
This comes with a caveat that it does seem to offer up chances to your opponent, but we made plenty of good tackles, blocks and saves. The AMC floats in out of games and the wide players still have the urge to run into corners and not get enough good balls in. But, it scores nice goals, plays some nice footy and can clearly push a teams performances. Whether it will cope when it comes to playing Barcelona, Liverpool, Juve etc, I don't know. Whether my players just suited the roles and were starting to hit new levels anyway, perhaps. But it has pushed my team to a new level and added a new spark to the save.
Great stuff - I'm enjoying it.
Thanks for the great feedback, I agree there are some aspects of the tactic that can be improved and it is something I am looking at the moment
https://fm-arena.com/thread/1516-hybrid-424-winger-if-by-brommers1992/
Absolutely smashed them
haha Brilliant, pint of whiskey it is
My opinion, you played it fair, you said that this tactic isn't entirely yours and it's a tweak. Also, you said what changes you made so people can evaluate the contribution you made.
Ok mate, cheers, are you ok to edit the author please?
What's your opinion Zippo? Do you think I've done enough to put my name on the side of it?