Steelwood said: Well done @Delicious for creating the new top tactic. Thought I'd play around with it a bit. I changed the passing back to shorter and removed "pass it shorter" from all players with it. I removed most of the instructions on the IWBs but added "shoot less often". I changed the DLP for a DM but added "hold position". It won everything with Liverpool. Expand
Delicious said: About awesome, did you reworked your training schedule? or still work like before, a lot of players asking me about that and i have no clue if you working on it and i really won't spam you out for it(because i do imagine they are alot asking for it, if they are that many to asking me about that training schedule) Expand
The training schedule still works well, it didn't need any rework. Just remember that my schedule assumes players are set to no pitch or gym work if their condition is not excellent.
FreddyAdu said: Giving this a try! I used your training schedule for all of FM22 and it was amazing on that game. Do you still use individual training for all players on this one? Thanks!
Edit: I mean with additional focus on quickness, for example. Expand
Steelwood said: I haven't seen regular wingers on a tactic in a while, very interested to see how this goes Expand
They are working better this patch since defense is better. That allows tactics of one DM to shine, and those benefit from IWB as Zippo showed in a post yesterday.
This is a tweak of Fire 2.4 (Tweak II), which in turn carries lots of instructions from the current top tactic from Blau (and Steelwood). I changed some roles, set pieces and player instructions. The idea is to probe the current status of this tactic so I can move into more unique direction (like removing Get Stuck In and simplifying the instruction set).
This patch fixed a bit of the defensive problems from FM23, meaning teams concede less goals per match. With that, offensive power is again more desirable than defense, and tactics with a single DM should be more effective this patch.
wampc said: Hi, I just started FM 2021 recently, and start to feel your tactic is great! I got some questions, not about tactics.(because, I thought you got many things about these type of games) What should I pick team talk tone and comment before I got rivalry or UCL away? Sometimes I feel like your good tactics doesn't work at those situation because of my team talk... Can I learn it from you? Expand
I usually use team talks for two things, relax the team when they are under stress, and motivate them when they are too relaxed. So it's all about understanding which of those two situations you are in, and make sure the players get it. For example, if you are playing as an underdog against the strongest team of the league, you will want to say something like "It's fine, just relax and play your regular game", while if you are the strongest team against an underdog you will want to say "Let's go to the field and show the media is right". In any case, you can always follow with "I have faith in you" for individual positions, and results are usually positive.
sponsorkindest said: Just completed my season 1 holidaying with this tactic. Finished 3rd in EPL with Southampton.
Good: 1. The tactic is a baller
Bad: 1. It really hard to find good IWB & DW
So this might be a very good tactic for 2nd season and up if you are guy who just holidays like me because it's not always possible to sell players in season 1.
Yarema said: I've been experimenting with taking your base training and rest settings and changing attacking sessions into chance creation and conversion, and defensive into aerial and ground defence. Main idea was basically to have every session (other than physical) work on individual roles, just to see if it actually does anything.
Only done like 1 season with the new schedule, results seem quite decent. Hard to evaluate without more rigorous testing, but lets say I'll be sticking to it for now. It's equally possible something just clicked, or I have players that progress better and the original training would have worked just as well if not better. Expand
Delicious said: So i should use put it for the entire season? and setuping like that ?
I've tested Cadoni's and Cae's but i want to test even yours, if that is your definitive i will give it a go to my 3rd year Spurs game Expand
Yes, that's the trick so you don't need to add rest or recovery during training sessions. Let me know how it did for you, and how you feel it compares.
luisanjao said: Has anyone tried to train only speed and leave the default position? this decreases the load, would it not help in gaining speed training?
sorry my bad english Expand
As far as I know, players always train one position, be it the one you chose, or their default. Therefore, it's better to choose the position where you want them to play, because they might think they are players from some completely different position.
Yarema said: I just do it every sunday when I get training for next 2 weeks in the inbox, can fix everything there in a few seconds.
Only thing that really annoys me (and this has nothing to do with the schedule) is that if the match is played on sunday the game will override whatever training is planned for monday with recovery, so I have to manually fix that. Expand
I still dream about the day when FM won't screw up training schedules.
Kamas1 said: Use only this schedule? with one and two matches in the week? Expand
Yeah, same schedule for one or two matches. It doesn't matter much because players that participated in the matches are set to rest automatically, so training doesn't require rest or recovery.
Yarema said: Been using your training schedule for pretty much whole FM23 cycle. It's so easy to use no matter what the match schedule is and results are good both in terms of progression and match results, helps when players are well rested for matches. The most "1 click per week and forget about it" schedule I've seen Expand
Thanks for testing! I suppose you noticed that FM resets your training schedule at the end of every season, so you need to reassign everything again.
Mark said: I love your work mate, it is definitely extremely valuable to the FM Arena community. Please keep it up. I know I am not alone in my appreciation for your work Expand
Thanks, Mark! I don't want to be mean since the new brute force methodology allowed us to get some good tactics. However, it discouraged people from uploading new tactics to be tested. The number of users uploading tactics this year seems smaller than previous years, and it should be higher since we now have more FM players overall. Before, we would have people doing tweaks that could lead to new exciting directions, but this year most tweaks were done by brute testing instead. It was something like the Knap method (nothing against the guy, don't know him), but with FM-Arena to validate results.
Some people even told me to do the same strategy of mass testing small variations, but then it would stop being fun and become just a robotic process. Anyway, I have decided to focus on testing other aspects of the game when I have time. I will still try some new versions of tactics, but my focus will go for optimizing other things like contracts, attributes, rotation and so on.
Nebuuuu said: Hey ZaZ & Co. After a longer break, i could play the FM23 again, switched from Water 4.2 to Water 6.0 with my Hertha Save (1st season). The first half of the season was sensational, 2nd place behind Bayern Munich.
So after the winterbreak my team kinda went out of form for a few matches, lost 2 in a row, 3-4 drows but still an awesome season. In the end, i reached place 3 in my 1st season with Hertha BSC, low financial budget (which will be better next season because Champions League etc.).
My new mexican striker Jose Juan Macias came at January from Deportivo Guadalajara for 3.9 Million €, scores 15 goals and 3 assists in 16 matches. And is now about 26-29 Million € worth.
Also my striker Kangahad a superb season (20 goals in 30 matches, 7 Assists!). 3rd best Striker in the Bundesliga in his 1st season.
I also got Amiri from Leverkusen for 2.7 Million € because i needed a flexible winger, especially on the left side but yeah..maybe i gonna sell him because he is mostly a backup. He is now 7-8 Million € worth but maybe i will still wait for the first half of the 2nd season and hope he will have more impact (which i doubt).
I signed two talented striker for the next season. To make pressure on Kanga and also get the option to maybe sell Macias for 30+ Million € and have a win of 25+ Million €. We will see. The new coming strikers are the 20y old german striker, Maximilian Beyer (9 Mio.€, very fast, overall good stats) and Adam Hlozek from Leverkusen (5 Mio.€, 20y, very fast, overall good stats, similiar to Beyer).
Also Fabricio Diaz, 20y, young defensive midfielder from FC Liverpool (Uruguay) who can also score and is overall good for his age. Maybe not the greatest talent but for only 2.6 Million € a very good deal. Also i will probably sell 1-2 defensive midfielders from my team. We will see.
I could also transfer a handfull of talented young players for the next season, without spending money (Hertha is kinda poor in the 1st season, like in reality).
Here 2 Screenshots from my superb 1st season with Hertha BSC. Water 4.2 for the first 25+ league matches, Water 6.0 after. We shot themost goals in the league (77), had the player with the highest average note (Macias - 7.53), had the most goalchances in the league (174) and also most fouls...660.
I wanna thank you (again) ZaZ. Maybe you are not on the absolute TOP tactic maker but i really stay loyal and appreciate your work and passion for the game and share your tactics with us.
Wish you and the community a great weekend, Ses snart Expand
Gratz and thanks, Nebu!
Unfortunately, I cannot compete with people brute testing (trying all possible variations), because they are just bound to find good things if they test too much. I lost count of the number of times I spent one week testing something novel, just to see it being tested before I could post it. In the end, the important thing is for people to have good tactics, and not exactly for the best tactic to be mine. I just wish I could have contributed more to the community this year, but my time has been pretty limited recently.
I guess I will try to wrap up the information I collected in my tests with what we got from the testing table and try to make a new version for the tactics.
Gratz for top!
The training schedule still works well, it didn't need any rework. Just remember that my schedule assumes players are set to no pitch or gym work if their condition is not excellent.
Edit: I mean with additional focus on quickness, for example.
Yes, individual for quickness.
They are working better this patch since defense is better. That allows tactics of one DM to shine, and those benefit from IWB as Zippo showed in a post yesterday.
This patch fixed a bit of the defensive problems from FM23, meaning teams concede less goals per match. With that, offensive power is again more desirable than defense, and tactics with a single DM should be more effective this patch.
I got some questions, not about tactics.(because, I thought you got many things about these type of games)
What should I pick team talk tone and comment before I got rivalry or UCL away?
Sometimes I feel like your good tactics doesn't work at those situation because of my team talk...
Can I learn it from you?
I usually use team talks for two things, relax the team when they are under stress, and motivate them when they are too relaxed. So it's all about understanding which of those two situations you are in, and make sure the players get it. For example, if you are playing as an underdog against the strongest team of the league, you will want to say something like "It's fine, just relax and play your regular game", while if you are the strongest team against an underdog you will want to say "Let's go to the field and show the media is right". In any case, you can always follow with "I have faith in you" for individual positions, and results are usually positive.
Good:
1. The tactic is a baller
Bad:
1. It really hard to find good IWB & DW
So this might be a very good tactic for 2nd season and up if you are guy who just holidays like me because it's not always possible to sell players in season 1.
Good job! @Blau
Just get anyone good for DL/R or ML/R. The stars from role ability are just cosmetic and have no effect in game.
Only done like 1 season with the new schedule, results seem quite decent. Hard to evaluate without more rigorous testing, but lets say I'll be sticking to it for now. It's equally possible something just clicked, or I have players that progress better and the original training would have worked just as well if not better.
Thanks for testing!
I've tested Cadoni's and Cae's but i want to test even yours, if that is your definitive i will give it a go to my 3rd year Spurs game
Yes, that's the trick so you don't need to add rest or recovery during training sessions. Let me know how it did for you, and how you feel it compares.
sorry my bad english
As far as I know, players always train one position, be it the one you chose, or their default. Therefore, it's better to choose the position where you want them to play, because they might think they are players from some completely different position.
Only thing that really annoys me (and this has nothing to do with the schedule) is that if the match is played on sunday the game will override whatever training is planned for monday with recovery, so I have to manually fix that.
I still dream about the day when FM won't screw up training schedules.
Kamas1 said: Use only this schedule? with one and two matches in the week?
Yeah, same schedule for one or two matches. It doesn't matter much because players that participated in the matches are set to rest automatically, so training doesn't require rest or recovery.
Thanks for testing! I suppose you noticed that FM resets your training schedule at the end of every season, so you need to reassign everything again.
Thanks, Mark! I don't want to be mean since the new brute force methodology allowed us to get some good tactics. However, it discouraged people from uploading new tactics to be tested. The number of users uploading tactics this year seems smaller than previous years, and it should be higher since we now have more FM players overall. Before, we would have people doing tweaks that could lead to new exciting directions, but this year most tweaks were done by brute testing instead. It was something like the Knap method (nothing against the guy, don't know him), but with FM-Arena to validate results.
Some people even told me to do the same strategy of mass testing small variations, but then it would stop being fun and become just a robotic process. Anyway, I have decided to focus on testing other aspects of the game when I have time. I will still try some new versions of tactics, but my focus will go for optimizing other things like contracts, attributes, rotation and so on.
After a longer break, i could play the FM23 again, switched from Water 4.2 to Water 6.0 with my Hertha Save (1st season).
The first half of the season was sensational, 2nd place behind Bayern Munich.
So after the winterbreak my team kinda went out of form for a few matches, lost 2 in a row, 3-4 drows but still an awesome season.
In the end, i reached place 3 in my 1st season with Hertha BSC, low financial budget (which will be better next season because Champions League etc.).
My new mexican striker Jose Juan Macias came at January from Deportivo Guadalajara for 3.9 Million €, scores 15 goals and 3 assists in 16 matches.
And is now about 26-29 Million € worth.
Also my striker Kangahad a superb season (20 goals in 30 matches, 7 Assists!). 3rd best Striker in the Bundesliga in his 1st season.
I also got Amiri from Leverkusen for 2.7 Million € because i needed a flexible winger, especially on the left side but yeah..maybe i gonna sell him because he is mostly a backup.
He is now 7-8 Million € worth but maybe i will still wait for the first half of the 2nd season and hope he will have more impact (which i doubt).
I signed two talented striker for the next season. To make pressure on Kanga and also get the option to maybe sell Macias for 30+ Million € and have a win of 25+ Million €. We will see.
The new coming strikers are the 20y old german striker, Maximilian Beyer (9 Mio.€, very fast, overall good stats) and Adam Hlozek from Leverkusen (5 Mio.€, 20y, very fast, overall good stats, similiar to Beyer).
Also Fabricio Diaz, 20y, young defensive midfielder from FC Liverpool (Uruguay) who can also score and is overall good for his age. Maybe not the greatest talent but for only 2.6 Million € a very good deal. Also i will probably sell 1-2 defensive midfielders from my team. We will see.
I could also transfer a handfull of talented young players for the next season, without spending money (Hertha is kinda poor in the 1st season, like in reality).
Here 2 Screenshots from my superb 1st season with Hertha BSC.
Water 4.2 for the first 25+ league matches, Water 6.0 after.
We shot themost goals in the league (77), had the player with the highest average note (Macias - 7.53), had the most goalchances in the league (174) and also most fouls...660.
I wanna thank you (again) ZaZ.
Maybe you are not on the absolute TOP tactic maker but i really stay loyal and appreciate your work and passion for the game and share your tactics with us.
Wish you and the community a great weekend,
Ses snart
Gratz and thanks, Nebu!
Unfortunately, I cannot compete with people brute testing (trying all possible variations), because they are just bound to find good things if they test too much. I lost count of the number of times I spent one week testing something novel, just to see it being tested before I could post it. In the end, the important thing is for people to have good tactics, and not exactly for the best tactic to be mine. I just wish I could have contributed more to the community this year, but my time has been pretty limited recently.
I guess I will try to wrap up the information I collected in my tests with what we got from the testing table and try to make a new version for the tactics.
This is the schedule I use for both pre-season and inside the season.