Twenty five matches, everything running well. Maybe too well in the Carabao Cup, which I usually prefer being kicked out early because it doesn't pay well and is just useful for clogging my schedule.
Mark said: So my work here is now complete. There were some issues. There were 2 of the managers that didn't work because I hadn't taken control of them, That left us with 7 sides we have control of. One of course was Man City whose Manager was sacked every test as they couldn't compete against the ZaZ Blue tactics.
The methodology was to take the best rated XI for each ratings and compare the average ratings for each side. I ran 5 tests and then dropped any player that had less than 50 games over the 5 runs or 190 games. I only selected players rated best from the 7 teams we were working with who all used ZaZ Blue DM tactics.
So they were playing the same role for the majority of the time and played substantial games in the role.
I have to say the results very much favor the Chinese machine learning research we were all interested in.
I tested 6 ratings files plus the default Genie Scout rating file. The main ratings files were ZaZ, my MDW, ykykyk the one based on the Chinese machine learning research, and 3 variants of that proposed by @ZaZ.
I used either end of season team of the year for the squad or the highest positional rating to determine the position for each player. Players with less than 50 games of the 5 tests were excluded. Only players in the 7 controlled teams were included, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, Spurs.
First we have the control test which is the default Genie Scout ratings. Here is their side:
So of the main 3 ratings files, MDW, ykykyk and ZaZ here are the results:
And here are the 3 test tactics from ZaZ using the Chinese machine learning technology.
The Analysis from our Chinese friends has been very impressive, Expand
Thank you for the results! I'm a researcher from the field of optimization, which is closely related to machine learning, so I have no doubts their experiment holds lots of value. I'll try to boost the goalkeeper scores of my best version and add to my tactic page, as well as linking here so they can also see your filters. Looking forward for your next improvements or any suggestions.
P.S.: Just to be clear, Y50 is the one that subtracts 25 from all under 50 using chinese as base, right?
Twenty matches update. Nothing really special other than losing points against the last place in league. Other than that, the board agreed with me to upgrade youth facilities again. It costed 775k.
P.S.: The "Rst" symbol in my players mean they are being rested after the match, not that they have fatigue.
Kuzano said: First,thank you for creating this tactic..getting straight promotion for Sunderland in 3 seasons back to the PL
But when the first season in PL, i kinda notice that the backline is leaky especially at Away/Big Game..its kinda given because of the quality difference with Championship. I'm working at buying better player but do you have any suggestion for changes in Away games like changing the mentality to Cautious or different TI or PI?
Thank you again and sorry if my english is bad Expand
The gap between PL and Championship is brutal, too much money difference. Your goal should be to survive a whole season to build a better squad, which should be doable with this tactic. If you want better defense for away games, I would recommend you try Positive Tiki Taka, since it's the tactic with best defense (in FM-Arena table) and score above 5.0.
I didn't test the ratings in a normal game yet. If I was to choose one of the three I posted, I would go for the one with chinese base where all ratings under 50 get -25. However, they probably need to be adjusted to show goalkeepers with similar scores. Anyway, I would trust more Mark ratings, since he is more of a reference in that than me.
Petrades said: Oke, but than the ratings are saying my slow player is better in AMC than the faster player. Would you choose for the slower player? If you look at the shadow striker rating, than it is saying to choose the faster player. Expand
I would never get that SS with 7 acceleration and pace. Lower league is full of those low speed players, which is why it's so easy to win there.
Wigo said: you ask me why am i expecting assist from roaming PLAYMAKER? anyway... ok you guys prove me wrong on that position... zaz is right, if whole team performs better then its ok! Expand
I'm not saying there isn't a combination of positions and roles where RPM does well and the tactic does better, it's just that people didn't find anything like that yet for this shape.
After fifteen matches in the league, I'm finally in the lead. I'm also progressing well in the cups, and I would like to talk about my last match in Carabao Cup against Manchester City. Right before the match, their manager did what no manager should ever do: he called us an easy opponent. Never be that guy, be it on a game or on real life. As a result, his team got complacent and they got their ass kicked 4-0 against my second team. I don't like Carabao Cup, but it felt good to thrash one of the strongest teams in the game.
Nikko said: Here's real life stats of Rordi who plays DM for Man City
As you can see he also don't score and don't make assistance.
I really don't understand why you expect seeing goals and assistance from DM.
Anything above 6.8 is a good rating for a position such as DM that isn't supposed to score or do assistances, at least that's how it works in FM. Expand
By the way, just yesterday I was in a discussion where I was saying Rodri was the main player of Manchester City. No one agreed with me. (P.S.: The discussion was literally "who is the main player of Manchester City, that if you remove him the team would suffer the most"?)
It takes less than one minute to put the schedule from picture to game. The picture has the advantage to allow players from consoles to use them.
Also, I'm quite sure there might be some better training schedules around somewhere, I only put mine for reference since people keep asking, but I never claimed it to be the best.
Wigo said: if you look in the pic Roaming playmaker has 0 goals and 2 assists in 30 games :/ thats a disaster... there is some other positions in Fm where rating is average but statistics is shit :/ annoying Expand
Change him to another role or position. If the tactic does better as a whole, then you have a point and the RPM was to blame. If tactic just gets worse, then he can't be considered a disaster, since he gets low scores in order to enable his partners to get better scores.
League One just started! Five matches on the season and I can't call it a good start. I believe things will get better later, but right now I'm just eighth, eight points behind automatic promotion zone (my goal). My team is obviously predicted last again, and I also added a picture of sponsorship to show how big the financial gap is.
I only managed to hire three players this window, being a DM, a DR and a MR. I lost lots of time trying to get a good MR, but every time I offered contract for some player, some bigger teams imediately started showing interest, stealing the player from me. Because of those players, my annual wage budget increased from ~650k to 950k, including some contract renewals.
If anyone is curious on how I get rid of players easily, I just keep offering them to other clubs. First I put no asking price, then I set a value and go down little by little until someone shows interest, even if it has to reach zero. When it reaches zero, I also offer the player for loans for anyone willing to pay his wage. No need to keep deadwood around when finances are weak.
Talking about finances, facilities are now slightly better than when it started, and training facilities are in the way to complete.
Below are the usual competitions screen, schedule, squad, player in best form, as well as finances, facilities, media odds and sponsorship.
P.S.: Forgot to say the board got Crystal Palace to be feeders of my team, meaning they pay us around 50k a year and we can get loans for free. Too bad all players that I asked on loan either rejected to play on lower league or got some offer from another team and decided to go there instead.
1 - The wingers - Does cross from byline get better results over the long term? Because i feel it makes wingers hold on to the ball longer and we miss chances as a result. I've had more short term success with removing the instruction and just letting the player decide.
2 - The wingers failing to close down opponents next to them, and instead going back to their position is sth that happens a lot. Is there a fix for this? The DWs just dont close down close to the centre circle areas.
3 - The IWBs and CBs on occasion clash. An example is when a cross comes in from the left side, the IWB instead of the RCB takes it upon himself to come clear the ball. So what happens is that the RCB basically leaves his marker and waits for the IWB to come clear the header/the ball and what ends up happening is that we concede. Because that switch cant happen fast enough. But i've never really seen this interaction in any of my formations. So i'm just curious if there's a fix for it? or its just part of it all. Expand
I tried lots of things to improve this tactic and that version got me the best results. There was almost a whole year with people trying to get better results, with all sort of different tactics and tweaks, but it seems that performance is very close to the limit of the match engine. Unfortunately, there are no more tests for FM21.
From my options, the best is this. However, Mark will probably update his filter and get something even better soon.
The methodology was to take the best rated XI for each ratings and compare the average ratings for each side. I ran 5 tests and then dropped any player that had less than 50 games over the 5 runs or 190 games. I only selected players rated best from the 7 teams we were working with who all used ZaZ Blue DM tactics.
So they were playing the same role for the majority of the time and played substantial games in the role.
I have to say the results very much favor the Chinese machine learning research we were all interested in.
I tested 6 ratings files plus the default Genie Scout rating file. The main ratings files were ZaZ, my MDW, ykykyk the one based on the Chinese machine learning research, and 3 variants of that proposed by @ZaZ.
I used either end of season team of the year for the squad or the highest positional rating to determine the position for each player. Players with less than 50 games of the 5 tests were excluded. Only players in the 7 controlled teams were included, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Man Utd, Newcastle, Spurs.
First we have the control test which is the default Genie Scout ratings. Here is their side:
So of the main 3 ratings files, MDW, ykykyk and ZaZ here are the results:
And here are the 3 test tactics from ZaZ using the Chinese machine learning technology.
The Analysis from our Chinese friends has been very impressive,
Thank you for the results! I'm a researcher from the field of optimization, which is closely related to machine learning, so I have no doubts their experiment holds lots of value. I'll try to boost the goalkeeper scores of my best version and add to my tactic page, as well as linking here so they can also see your filters. Looking forward for your next improvements or any suggestions.
P.S.: Just to be clear, Y50 is the one that subtracts 25 from all under 50 using chinese as base, right?
we won the fa cup and the CL final
lol even my GK made 3 assists
New GK exploit!
Gratz for the season and thanks for testing!
P.S.: The "Rst" symbol in my players mean they are being rested after the match, not that they have fatigue.
But when the first season in PL, i kinda notice that the backline is leaky especially at Away/Big Game..its kinda given because of the quality difference with Championship. I'm working at buying better player but do you have any suggestion for changes in Away games like changing the mentality to Cautious or different TI or PI?
Thank you again and sorry if my english is bad
The gap between PL and Championship is brutal, too much money difference. Your goal should be to survive a whole season to build a better squad, which should be doable with this tactic. If you want better defense for away games, I would recommend you try Positive Tiki Taka, since it's the tactic with best defense (in FM-Arena table) and score above 5.0.
I didn't test the ratings in a normal game yet. If I was to choose one of the three I posted, I would go for the one with chinese base where all ratings under 50 get -25. However, they probably need to be adjusted to show goalkeepers with similar scores. Anyway, I would trust more Mark ratings, since he is more of a reference in that than me.
I would never get that SS with 7 acceleration and pace. Lower league is full of those low speed players, which is why it's so easy to win there.
Gratz! Good job there!
I'm not saying there isn't a combination of positions and roles where RPM does well and the tactic does better, it's just that people didn't find anything like that yet for this shape.
As you can see he also don't score and don't make assistance.
I really don't understand why you expect seeing goals and assistance from DM.
Anything above 6.8 is a good rating for a position such as DM that isn't supposed to score or do assistances, at least that's how it works in FM.
By the way, just yesterday I was in a discussion where I was saying Rodri was the main player of Manchester City. No one agreed with me. (P.S.: The discussion was literally "who is the main player of Manchester City, that if you remove him the team would suffer the most"?)
It takes less than one minute to put the schedule from picture to game. The picture has the advantage to allow players from consoles to use them.
Also, I'm quite sure there might be some better training schedules around somewhere, I only put mine for reference since people keep asking, but I never claimed it to be the best.
Change him to another role or position. If the tactic does better as a whole, then you have a point and the RPM was to blame. If tactic just gets worse, then he can't be considered a disaster, since he gets low scores in order to enable his partners to get better scores.
I only managed to hire three players this window, being a DM, a DR and a MR. I lost lots of time trying to get a good MR, but every time I offered contract for some player, some bigger teams imediately started showing interest, stealing the player from me. Because of those players, my annual wage budget increased from ~650k to 950k, including some contract renewals.
If anyone is curious on how I get rid of players easily, I just keep offering them to other clubs. First I put no asking price, then I set a value and go down little by little until someone shows interest, even if it has to reach zero. When it reaches zero, I also offer the player for loans for anyone willing to pay his wage. No need to keep deadwood around when finances are weak.
Talking about finances, facilities are now slightly better than when it started, and training facilities are in the way to complete.
Below are the usual competitions screen, schedule, squad, player in best form, as well as finances, facilities, media odds and sponsorship.
P.S.: Forgot to say the board got Crystal Palace to be feeders of my team, meaning they pay us around 50k a year and we can get loans for free. Too bad all players that I asked on loan either rejected to play on lower league or got some offer from another team and decided to go there instead.
1 - The wingers - Does cross from byline get better results over the long term? Because i feel it makes wingers hold on to the ball longer and we miss chances as a result. I've had more short term success with removing the instruction and just letting the player decide.
2 - The wingers failing to close down opponents next to them, and instead going back to their position is sth that happens a lot. Is there a fix for this? The DWs just dont close down close to the centre circle areas.
3 - The IWBs and CBs on occasion clash. An example is when a cross comes in from the left side, the IWB instead of the RCB takes it upon himself to come clear the ball. So what happens is that the RCB basically leaves his marker and waits for the IWB to come clear the header/the ball and what ends up happening is that we concede. Because that switch cant happen fast enough. But i've never really seen this interaction in any of my formations. So i'm just curious if there's a fix for it? or its just part of it all.
I tried lots of things to improve this tactic and that version got me the best results. There was almost a whole year with people trying to get better results, with all sort of different tactics and tweaks, but it seems that performance is very close to the limit of the match engine. Unfortunately, there are no more tests for FM21.
Looking only at the table, yes, but keep in mind that there is a margin of error and any tactic with score 5.0+ could very well be the best.